Intel Core 2 Quad & Core 2 Extreme

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These high-end processors deliver maximum performance, but at a heavy price.

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Compatible Chipsets: core 2 Quad: 975X, P31, G31, G33, Q33, P35, G35, Q35, X38, Core 2 Extreme: 65nm parts supported by P965, X48, 45nm parts supported by 975X, P31, G31, G33, Q33, P35, G35, Q35, X38, X48
The Core 2 Quad and Core 2 Extreme are the most powerful CPUs in Intel’s line-up. As the name implies, Core 2 Quad processors all have four physical cores, while the Core 2 Extreme range includes one dual-core processor – the X6800 – as well as the quad-core QX6000 and QX9000 ranges.

Core 2 Quad

The Core 2 Quad range includes both 65nm and 45nm parts, based on the Kentsfield and Yorkfield cores respectively. Internally, they’re effectively a pair of Core 2 Duo processors built into one chip.

As AMD likes to point out, this is less efficient than the Phenom’s fully integrated design, as cores on different dies can’t communicate directly at the chip’s full internal speed. Instead, they have to pass data back and forth via the slower front side bus.

But in the real world, multithreaded programming is in its infancy and few applications use a quad-core processor like this. Far more often, the four cores will be running multiple independent processes in parallel, something the Core 2 Quad is perfectly equipped to do. It’s shrewd economics on Intel’s part to reuse existing core logic rather than investing in a completely new quad-core process.

The proof is in the results. The Core 2 Quad Q6600 costs exactly the same as AMD’s flagship Phenom 9600, but includes 8MB of on-die L2 cache, twice the total available to the Phenom. This helped the Q6600 achieve a storming 1.45 in our benchmarks, while AMD’s quad-core processor scored only 1.28.

In fact, in our tests, every Core 2 Quad processor easily outpaced anything produced by AMD. That’s partly down to bigger L2 caches (up to 12MB for the Q9450 and Q9550) and partly thanks to clock speeds that go as high as 2.83GHz on a 1333MHz front side bus.

Yet as a desktop processor, the Core 2 Quad range faces stiff competition from Intel’s own Core 2 Duos. The E8400, for example, achieved a higher overall benchmark score than the Q9300 in our tests, despite costing $80 less.

The extra processing power of the Core 2 Quad only shines through in properly multithreaded applications, such as our 3ds Max test: here, the E8400 took 206 seconds to render a scene that the Q9300 completed in 156 seconds. But if you’re looking for an all-rounder, the Core 2 Duo is better value.

Core 2 Extreme

If, on the other hand, you’re after maximum performance, look to the Core 2 Extreme series. These chips are based on tweaked “XE” versions of the Conroe, Kentsfield and Yorkfield cores, running at clock speeds considerably in excess of their standard counterparts. The Yorkfield-based QX9770 goes as high as 3.2GHz, while the fastest Core 2 Quad with that core runs at 2.83GHz.

Core 2 Extreme processors are also fully multiplier-unlocked, so you can increase the clock speed as high as your motherboard will allow. There’s no guarantee that your CPU will be stable above its stated speed, but the appeal for enthusiasts is obvious.

The problem with the Extreme range is very apparent on our graph on page 60. It’s normal to pay a premium for top performance, but the Core 2 Extreme series takes that principle to absurdity. The Core 2 Extreme QX9650 costs over $650 more than the Core 2 Quad Q9550, for a performance boost of some 2%.

This month’s most powerful processor, the QX9770, will set you back a jaw-dropping $1878. Higher clock speeds may mean lower yields, but it’s hard to avoid the conclusion that Intel, knowing it has no competition in this area, has mercilessly set its prices to take maximum advantage of enthusiasts and number-crunchers.

So, despite peerless performance, it’s hard to recommend any Core 2 Extreme processor. If you absolutely must have the fastest processor on the block, it’s the only game in town, but you’ll pay through the nose for modest performance improvements over the Core 2 Quad.

In turn, the Core 2 Quad series suffers from a similar criticism in relation to the Core 2 Duo. If you can really make use of four cores then go ahead, but for everyday Windows computing the effective performance boost simply isn’t enough to justify the price increase over the Core 2 Duo E8000 series.

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This Review appeared in the August, 2008 issue of PC & Tech Authority Magazine

Source: Copyright © PC Pro, Dennis Publishing

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Comments: 21
Wheelie
31 July 2008
This great guys about to build a new computer so this charts helps me make my mind on what type of cpu i will use .....


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Jim.Dude
31 July 2008
Quad core isn't worth it. The E8500 offers comparative and (in some cases) better performance than both quad core and quad core extreme, at a fraction of the price. Check out the round up.

http://www.pcauthority.com.au/GroupTests/118055,amd-vs-intel-51cpu-megatest.aspx
.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
31 July 2008
Quad core is good if you plan to overclock. Since you won't notice the performance difference anyway, you might as well get the extra cores.
Jim.Dude
31 July 2008
You won't notice the performance, but you WILL notice the price if you go for those extra cores. The extreme core quad chips are an average $1000 more expensive than the E8500 and only the Q6600 is cheaper, while the remaining core quad chips are either roughly the same price or more expensive. Plus, quad cores drain more watts per cycle, adding to you power bill. There's simply no justification for it...quad core = waste of money.
ComputerRacoon
31 July 2008
I Agree with Jim I am getting the E8500 soon mostly because it's better than some quad cores already. Not many if any programs used over 2 cores right now so everyone may as wait and buy one when programs use 4 cores and prices should diffinalty fall by that time.
.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
31 July 2008
Jim.Dude wrote:
You won't notice the performance, but you WILL notice the price if you go for those extra cores. The extreme core quad chips are an average $1000 more expensive than the E8500 and only the Q6600 is cheaper, while the remaining core quad chips are either roughly the same price or more expensive. Plus, quad cores drain more watts per cycle, adding to you power bill. There's simply no justification for it...quad core = waste of money.

I agree, unless you need the unlocked multiplier. :P

Q6600 is what I usually recommend for novice overclockers, and the Q6700 for experienced overclockers ona budget.

Otherwise the E8500 is great, but why pass up the extra cores if you can overclock them to dual core speeds anyway. Yes you can overclock the duals more, but the extra cores do help. Vista tends to place programs on separate cores to improve speed.
Jim.Dude
31 July 2008
But why bother overclocking a quad core? If it can't keep up at stock speeds then it's not worth over clocking. Plus, over clocking is expensive, has the potential to ruin your system and requires a pretty decent RAM and mobo to make it worthwhile. Besides, the E8500 offers such incredible stock performance that you don't need to overclock it.
.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
31 July 2008
Jim.Dude wrote:
If it can't keep up at stock speeds then it's not worth over clocking.

Isn't that the reason you overclock it? :P

Jim.Dude wrote:

Plus, over clocking is expensive, has the potential to ruin your system and requires a pretty decent RAM and mobo to make it worthwhile.

Overclocking is free. :)

You can hit 3.2GHz on the Q6600 on stock cooling with no risk of damage.

Jim.Dude wrote:

Besides, the E8500 offers such incredible stock performance that you don't need to overclock it.

But it's two cores less. ;)
bbjai
31 July 2008
Many people won't bother to take the plunge on overclocking to be honest, especially if they think it'll shorten the life of their products
Jim.Dude
31 July 2008
So basically, you're saying that it is better to pay slightly more for old technology and then fiddle around with it and possibly damage it permanently, just to achieve the same level of performance as a cheaper, newer piece of hardware? Where's the logic in that?
.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
31 July 2008
Jim.Dude wrote:
So basically, you're saying that it is better to pay slightly more for old technology and then fiddle around with it and possibly damage it permanently, just to achieve the same level of performance as a cheaper, newer piece of hardware? Where's the logic in that?

1. Q6600 isn't expensive at all, it matches the E8500.
2. More cores is better since Vista allocates software equally across the cores.
3. Overclocking to 3.2GHz on stock voltage is as risky as hitting the on button. Not to mention that modern CPUs disallow overheating to damage them.

If it was an average consumer, I'd tell them the E8500 (as I said above). But for overclockers the Q6600 is the better option. Considering GPUs only get bottlenecked by CPUs when in crazy multi-card combos, it's better to get more cores for future-proofing if anything else.
Jim.Dude
31 July 2008
1. Fair enough, our local has the Q6600 as $10 higher. Hardly an issue.
2. The vast majority of people don't use Vista and most programs are designed to take advantage of multi-cores.
3. Overclocking is never safe. You regularly read of overclocking horror stories. I've NEVER heard of a stock intel chip horror story.

As for future proofing, the Q6600 has a slower FSB and offers less performance before OCing. So, if anything, the E8500 is going to be the most future proof. Since you have higher baseline performance for ocing PLUS you have full support for the latest motherboards and RAM.
totoaus
1 August 2008
I know we all love to have the latest and greatest chip, but sometimes I wonder why we pay so much attention to it.
I've known for years that any system needs a balanced appraoch to its design. A slow CPU with lots of fast RAM and disk will blow the fastest CPU completely away if it has badly matched RAM and disk, even with the same motherboard , RAM & disk.
I used to work with mainframes and minicomputers a lot, and same rules applied. It was often more effective (and cheaper) to implement a RAM upgrade, than a CPU upgrade.
The other point to make is that except for a very few extremely high demand applications, every computer these days has FAR MORE power than needed. And yes, it even applies when running with Vista!
The only reason to buy a faster CPU is that it may give you a longer life before the next upgrade. It's an argument I have used in the past, although I am no longer certain it still applies.
.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
1 August 2008
Jim.Dude wrote:

3. Overclocking is never safe. You regularly read of overclocking horror stories. I've NEVER heard of a stock intel chip horror story.

Overclocking on stock voltages will never damage a modern CPU. The worst thing that can happen is instability, which can be fixed by lowering the overclock, or increasing the voltage.

Jim.Dude wrote:

As for future proofing, the Q6600 has a slower FSB and offers less performance before OCing. So, if anything, the E8500 is going to be the most future proof.

Base FSB means nothing when it's the motherboard that determines the maximum attainable FSB. ;)

What it does have though is a slightly higher multiplier (9 vs 9.5), but most overclockers opt for the Q6700 for the 10x multi. You can still hit in excess of 4GHz on a 9x multi anyway.

Jim.Dude wrote:

Since you have higher baseline performance for ocing PLUS you have full support for the latest motherboards and RAM.


This doesn't make sense. The Q6600 and E8500 share the same socket and compatibility with components. Higher FSB doesn't necessarily mean 'higher baseline performance' because components such as RAM and CPU are based on dividers and multipliers respectively. Therefore your point becomes redundant. And lower/higher FSB doesn't alter compatibility either.

Once again, I'll point out that I recommend the E8500 for non-overclockers. So stop complaining. :P
bbjai
1 August 2008
I really wouldn't argue with Cyber, especially since most people I've seen on most sites are advising for the Q6600 in most cases. It sounds like a good option if you ask me. But I'll also say that the Q6600 seems to be the option for mild over clocks based on the reasons above. There are tons of reports and guides out there showing how the Q6600 can be overclocked at stock voltage which isn't really much of a risk.

If you really are just a mum and dad buying a computer I would opt for the E8500 like Cyber said. ITs the same option but on a PC magazine like this I would recommend a Q6600.
Jim.Dude
1 August 2008
I'm not complaining. You're saying the Q6600 is great for overclocking. I'm simply pointing out that once you buy the high-end mobo and RAM which you've said are required to get a decent overclock anyways, you're better off going for the E8500.

You could buy a cheap mobo, generic ram and an E8500 for less than the high-end mobo + high-end RAM and Q6600 and still get the same performance. In short, the E8500 means overclocking is redundant, unnecessary and expensive.

It might well be a fun hobby, but there's just no logic in it if we're talking about performance vs. price.


Edited by Jim.Dude: 1/8/2008 09:05:01 PM
.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
1 August 2008
Well you don't need high end gear to overclock. The P45 chipset overclocks very well, and generic 1066MHz DDR2 RAM is very cheap. So it is cost effective afterall. :)
Jim.Dude
1 August 2008
At my local, the P45's run between 75 - 100+ on average more than a P35 and generic RAM doesn't over clock well.

Even still, the costs of overclocking are irrelevant. Point still stands that a stock E8500 offers more performance than a stock Q6600. So the only reason to go the Q6600 is if you want to waste time and money overclocking just so you can keep up with the E8500.

It'd be like buying a V6, then spending a whole mess of time, effort and money tuning it, just to keep up with a stock V8.

Check out the link for a whole bundle of benchmarks.

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/cpu-charts-2007/pinnacle-studio-11-plus,385.html?p=1275%2C1268
.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
1 August 2008
Jim.Dude wrote:
At my local, the P45's run between 75 - 100+ on average more than a P35 and generic RAM doesn't over clock well.

Even still, the costs of overclocking are irrelevant. Point still stands that a stock E8500 offers more performance than a stock Q6600. So the only reason to go the Q6600 is if you want to waste time and money overclocking just so you can keep up with the E8500.

It'd be like buying a V6, then spending a whole mess of time, effort and money tuning it, just to keep up with a stock V8.

Check out the link for a whole bundle of benchmarks.

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/cpu-charts-2007/pinnacle-studio-11-plus,385.html?p=1275%2C1268

P45 is the latest budget offering, so I'm basing that as the benchmark here. Also, there's no need to overclock 1066MHz RAM when it's already at that speed. :P Even so, they can overclock a little further anyway.

And I see the Q6600 as the V8, and the E8500 as a V4, except that the V4 has larger pistons, while the V8 has double the pistons, but they are smaller. Overclocking is boaring out the V8 pistons, except free. ;)
Jim.Dude
2 August 2008
Let's not start mingling cars and computers, it was just an analogy. The point still stands though, a Q6600 + P45 + 1066 DDR2 over clocked would cost at least $100 - $200 more than an E8500 + P35 + 800 DDR2, but would offer only around the same performance. Building a machine for the purpose of overclocking just doesn't make economical sense, it's a fun hobby, but nothing more.
butterz
3 August 2008
my quad Q6600, stock @ 2.4ghz is running stable at 3ghz with stock cooler. My friend uses a zalman HSF and he gets 3.5ghz, not bad for overclocking, still rather a dual core high end 8 series though.
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