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Intel Core 2 Quad & Core 2 Extreme

Tuesday July 29, 2008
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This article appeared in the August, 2008 issue of PC Authority.
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Wheelie
Jul 31, 2008 5:36 PM
This great guys about to build a new computer so this charts helps me make my mind on what type of cpu i will use .....


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Intel Core 2 Quad & Core 2 Extreme?

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Jim.Dude
Jul 31, 2008 6:10 PM
Quad core isn't worth it. The E8500 offers comparative and (in some cases) better performance than both quad core and quad core extreme, at a fraction of the price. Check out the round up.

http://www.pcauthority.com.au/GroupTests/118055,amd-vs-intel-51cpu-megatest.aspx
.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
Jul 31, 2008 6:17 PM
Quad core is good if you plan to overclock. Since you won't notice the performance difference anyway, you might as well get the extra cores.
Jim.Dude
Jul 31, 2008 6:58 PM
You won't notice the performance, but you WILL notice the price if you go for those extra cores. The extreme core quad chips are an average $1000 more expensive than the E8500 and only the Q6600 is cheaper, while the remaining core quad chips are either roughly the same price or more expensive. Plus, quad cores drain more watts per cycle, adding to you power bill. There's simply no justification for it...quad core = waste of money.
ComputerRacoon
Jul 31, 2008 6:59 PM
I Agree with Jim I am getting the E8500 soon mostly because it's better than some quad cores already. Not many if any programs used over 2 cores right now so everyone may as wait and buy one when programs use 4 cores and prices should diffinalty fall by that time.
.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
Jul 31, 2008 7:07 PM
Jim.Dude wrote:
You won't notice the performance, but you WILL notice the price if you go for those extra cores. The extreme core quad chips are an average $1000 more expensive than the E8500 and only the Q6600 is cheaper, while the remaining core quad chips are either roughly the same price or more expensive. Plus, quad cores drain more watts per cycle, adding to you power bill. There's simply no justification for it...quad core = waste of money.

I agree, unless you need the unlocked multiplier. :P

Q6600 is what I usually recommend for novice overclockers, and the Q6700 for experienced overclockers ona budget.

Otherwise the E8500 is great, but why pass up the extra cores if you can overclock them to dual core speeds anyway. Yes you can overclock the duals more, but the extra cores do help. Vista tends to place programs on separate cores to improve speed.
Jim.Dude
Jul 31, 2008 7:13 PM
But why bother overclocking a quad core? If it can't keep up at stock speeds then it's not worth over clocking. Plus, over clocking is expensive, has the potential to ruin your system and requires a pretty decent RAM and mobo to make it worthwhile. Besides, the E8500 offers such incredible stock performance that you don't need to overclock it.
.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
Jul 31, 2008 7:28 PM
Jim.Dude wrote:
If it can't keep up at stock speeds then it's not worth over clocking.

Isn't that the reason you overclock it? :P

Jim.Dude wrote:

Plus, over clocking is expensive, has the potential to ruin your system and requires a pretty decent RAM and mobo to make it worthwhile.

Overclocking is free. :)

You can hit 3.2GHz on the Q6600 on stock cooling with no risk of damage.

Jim.Dude wrote:

Besides, the E8500 offers such incredible stock performance that you don't need to overclock it.

But it's two cores less. ;)
bbjai
Jul 31, 2008 8:07 PM
Many people won't bother to take the plunge on overclocking to be honest, especially if they think it'll shorten the life of their products
Jim.Dude
Jul 31, 2008 9:55 PM
So basically, you're saying that it is better to pay slightly more for old technology and then fiddle around with it and possibly damage it permanently, just to achieve the same level of performance as a cheaper, newer piece of hardware? Where's the logic in that?
.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
Jul 31, 2008 10:22 PM
Jim.Dude wrote:
So basically, you're saying that it is better to pay slightly more for old technology and then fiddle around with it and possibly damage it permanently, just to achieve the same level of performance as a cheaper, newer piece of hardware? Where's the logic in that?

1. Q6600 isn't expensive at all, it matches the E8500.
2. More cores is better since Vista allocates software equally across the cores.
3. Overclocking to 3.2GHz on stock voltage is as risky as hitting the on button. Not to mention that modern CPUs disallow overheating to damage them.

If it was an average consumer, I'd tell them the E8500 (as I said above). But for overclockers the Q6600 is the better option. Considering GPUs only get bottlenecked by CPUs when in crazy multi-card combos, it's better to get more cores for future-proofing if anything else.
Jim.Dude
Jul 31, 2008 10:48 PM
1. Fair enough, our local has the Q6600 as $10 higher. Hardly an issue.
2. The vast majority of people don't use Vista and most programs are designed to take advantage of multi-cores.
3. Overclocking is never safe. You regularly read of overclocking horror stories. I've NEVER heard of a stock intel chip horror story.

As for future proofing, the Q6600 has a slower FSB and offers less performance before OCing. So, if anything, the E8500 is going to be the most future proof. Since you have higher baseline performance for ocing PLUS you have full support for the latest motherboards and RAM.
totoaus
Aug 1, 2008 3:09 PM
I know we all love to have the latest and greatest chip, but sometimes I wonder why we pay so much attention to it.
I've known for years that any system needs a balanced appraoch to its design. A slow CPU with lots of fast RAM and disk will blow the fastest CPU completely away if it has badly matched RAM and disk, even with the same motherboard , RAM & disk.
I used to work with mainframes and minicomputers a lot, and same rules applied. It was often more effective (and cheaper) to implement a RAM upgrade, than a CPU upgrade.
The other point to make is that except for a very few extremely high demand applications, every computer these days has FAR MORE power than needed. And yes, it even applies when running with Vista!
The only reason to buy a faster CPU is that it may give you a longer life before the next upgrade. It's an argument I have used in the past, although I am no longer certain it still applies.
.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
Aug 1, 2008 4:25 PM
Jim.Dude wrote:

3. Overclocking is never safe. You regularly read of overclocking horror stories. I've NEVER heard of a stock intel chip horror story.

Overclocking on stock voltages will never damage a modern CPU. The worst thing that can happen is instability, which can be fixed by lowering the overclock, or increasing the voltage.

Jim.Dude wrote:

As for future proofing, the Q6600 has a slower FSB and offers less performance before OCing. So, if anything, the E8500 is going to be the most future proof.

Base FSB means nothing when it's the motherboard that determines the maximum attainable FSB. ;)

What it does have though is a slightly higher multiplier (9 vs 9.5), but most overclockers opt for the Q6700 for the 10x multi. You can still hit in excess of 4GHz on a 9x multi anyway.

Jim.Dude wrote:

Since you have higher baseline performance for ocing PLUS you have full support for the latest motherboards and RAM.


This doesn't make sense. The Q6600 and E8500 share the same socket and compatibility with components. Higher FSB doesn't necessarily mean 'higher baseline performance' because components such as RAM and CPU are based on dividers and multipliers respectively. Therefore your point becomes redundant. And lower/higher FSB doesn't alter compatibility either.

Once again, I'll point out that I recommend the E8500 for non-overclockers. So stop complaining. :P
bbjai
Aug 1, 2008 5:08 PM
I really wouldn't argue with Cyber, especially since most people I've seen on most sites are advising for the Q6600 in most cases. It sounds like a good option if you ask me. But I'll also say that the Q6600 seems to be the option for mild over clocks based on the reasons above. There are tons of reports and guides out there showing how the Q6600 can be overclocked at stock voltage which isn't really much of a risk.

If you really are just a mum and dad buying a computer I would opt for the E8500 like Cyber said. ITs the same option but on a PC magazine like this I would recommend a Q6600.
Jim.Dude
Aug 1, 2008 9:03 PM
I'm not complaining. You're saying the Q6600 is great for overclocking. I'm simply pointing out that once you buy the high-end mobo and RAM which you've said are required to get a decent overclock anyways, you're better off going for the E8500.

You could buy a cheap mobo, generic ram and an E8500 for less than the high-end mobo + high-end RAM and Q6600 and still get the same performance. In short, the E8500 means overclocking is redundant, unnecessary and expensive.

It might well be a fun hobby, but there's just no logic in it if we're talking about performance vs. price.


Edited by Jim.Dude: 1/8/2008 09:05:01 PM
.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
Aug 1, 2008 9:10 PM
Well you don't need high end gear to overclock. The P45 chipset overclocks very well, and generic 1066MHz DDR2 RAM is very cheap. So it is cost effective afterall. :)
Jim.Dude
Aug 1, 2008 9:21 PM
At my local, the P45's run between 75 - 100+ on average more than a P35 and generic RAM doesn't over clock well.

Even still, the costs of overclocking are irrelevant. Point still stands that a stock E8500 offers more performance than a stock Q6600. So the only reason to go the Q6600 is if you want to waste time and money overclocking just so you can keep up with the E8500.

It'd be like buying a V6, then spending a whole mess of time, effort and money tuning it, just to keep up with a stock V8.

Check out the link for a whole bundle of benchmarks.

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/cpu-charts-2007/pinnacle-studio-11-plus,385.html?p=1275%2C1268
.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
Aug 1, 2008 9:27 PM
Jim.Dude wrote:
At my local, the P45's run between 75 - 100+ on average more than a P35 and generic RAM doesn't over clock well.

Even still, the costs of overclocking are irrelevant. Point still stands that a stock E8500 offers more performance than a stock Q6600. So the only reason to go the Q6600 is if you want to waste time and money overclocking just so you can keep up with the E8500.

It'd be like buying a V6, then spending a whole mess of time, effort and money tuning it, just to keep up with a stock V8.

Check out the link for a whole bundle of benchmarks.

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/cpu-charts-2007/pinnacle-studio-11-plus,385.html?p=1275%2C1268

P45 is the latest budget offering, so I'm basing that as the benchmark here. Also, there's no need to overclock 1066MHz RAM when it's already at that speed. :P Even so, they can overclock a little further anyway.

And I see the Q6600 as the V8, and the E8500 as a V4, except that the V4 has larger pistons, while the V8 has double the pistons, but they are smaller. Overclocking is boaring out the V8 pistons, except free. ;)
Jim.Dude
Aug 2, 2008 12:49 PM
Let's not start mingling cars and computers, it was just an analogy. The point still stands though, a Q6600 + P45 + 1066 DDR2 over clocked would cost at least $100 - $200 more than an E8500 + P35 + 800 DDR2, but would offer only around the same performance. Building a machine for the purpose of overclocking just doesn't make economical sense, it's a fun hobby, but nothing more.
butterz
Aug 3, 2008 3:18 PM
my quad Q6600, stock @ 2.4ghz is running stable at 3ghz with stock cooler. My friend uses a zalman HSF and he gets 3.5ghz, not bad for overclocking, still rather a dual core high end 8 series though.
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