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Drake_Spartan
6 February 2012
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BOOOOOOOO!!!...The past few years I have embraced the newer Windows OS as they came out...another jump away from Windows XP. I was one of the only ones to like Vista and not have issues with it. I love my Windows 7....Windows 8? can go rot in a ditch with windows XP. Stupid tiles, or that revision they made to the tiles...it ruins the ease and flow of operating windows. Instead of being able to quickly and easily search "All Programs" in the windows 7 start menu...you now have to have a stupid full-screen piece of shit. Why get rid of a small and simple menu at the side, to a full blown media center style page...Apple aren't forcing Laptop or Desktop users to use a Operating System that has clearly been designed for Tablets...Screw the design team that came up with windows 8....GOTO HELL!
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R.I.P. Windows start button??
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amcmo
6 February 2012
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Apple may not be, however there are some minor issues with Lion and the move to make it a little more iOS-like.
They all (Win/Lin/iO seem to think we need a new look every so many years. Probably to do with the fact that Yanks have the attention span of a gnat. If there's not new and flashy they wander off in a daze.
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pvisser
6 February 2012
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The less crap on my desktop, the better. Only my recycle bin and plenty of space for a nice photo. Apple's jumping icons may look cool for 15 minutes, after that they are in the way.
I mentioned it before: I regard live tiles as desktop gadgets (widgets?). Who uses those? None that I know.
amcmo is right: it has to be new to be cool. I prefer: if it is not broken, don't fix it. |
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lrd390
6 February 2012
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"If it is not broken, don't fix it" but how would they sell to the gota have it "new" generation? All this worry about the desktop which I seldom see. |
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photohounds
6 February 2012
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Sigh - new for new sake ... |
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jbrear
6 February 2012
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I have been playing with the developer version. Biggest hassle is no start button. Microsoft will "do a Vista" if they introduce windows 8 without that feature. IT departments will have to invest millions teaching people how to turn their computers off |
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photohounds
6 February 2012
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Yeh - make something idiot proof and they just invent a better idiot :) |
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n3m3515
7 February 2012
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touch-control!.....I don't want to have to use a friggin' mouse, keyboard, and monitor to navigate windows 8! I prefer having a nice clean screen without the finger-prints thank you very much! I just hope that Windows 8 has the flexability to change the GUI so that it suits the user on how they want to use it rather than how Microsoft wants you to use it. I'm gathering that's what they will be doing so that Windows 8 can be used for phones, tablets, notebooks, and desktops. Let's just hope flexability gives the user control :) |
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skipper_sams
7 February 2012
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Unless there is some changes to the UI or some options that allow you to make it usable for a desktop, its gonna flop big time. Even for tablets and smartphones, Android and iOs already dominate the market, it wont be easy to get in. I know a few people with WP7 phones and they generally regard it as not that great. So now not only are they competing against already more popular and more widespread operating systems, but peoples perception of windows on a phone is negative. |
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photohounds
7 February 2012
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Some will buy it because it is different I suppose.
Who'da thunk? The lemmings have gone elsewhere :) |
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amcmo
7 February 2012
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Photo, you're right, the WinPhone lemmings .... over the cliff to Android. |
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jamecleark
8 February 2012
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I have been enjoying with the creator edition. Greatest problem is no start option. Enthusiasm will "do a Vista" if they create microsoft windows 8 without that function. IT divisions will have to shell out large numbers coaching people how to convert their computer systems off.. |
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photohounds
8 February 2012
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Actually, lemmings stand in line for 3 days to buy the latest gimmick. They did for Windows products, but have now reached the bottom.
Not aware of android nuts doing that. Its possible and if they do, they are idiots as the makers usually do NOT trickle them out .
I wouldn't be seen dead lining up for some overpriced, 'cool' gadget just to be the first tosser in the playpen to have one. |
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rubaiyat
9 February 2012
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I agree the consumer cultism is pathetic, but if you are criticising Apple, they hardly trickle out their new products. They distribute it in vast quantities from Day 1, just they are swamped by demand.
I was in the Apple Store in Sydney a few days after the last iPad came out, watching them wheel out trolley after trolley of iPads. As usual I did a quick eyeball of the quantity of units per trolley and figured out there were tens of millions $s flowing into that one store every day.
The same thing was happening in every retail outlet around, who ran out faster because they had less stock.
It was only a few years ago Woolworths blamed a poor annual result on delays in getting iPods. Apple has that much effect on everyone it touches. It is the one bright star in the retailing world and a lot of people depend on it for their livings. It mostly delivers.
As usual given the visceral level of your prejudices you have it both ways photo that Apple is both "fooling" people into buying its products, then not selling them enough.
Oh and not giving you one (which you don't want really) for free or cheap, because you are special and have a car parking spot near the door to prove it. |
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photohounds
9 February 2012
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I have no idea how you invented the 'tact' that I wanted an iAnything "for free or cheap".
You crow about how much profit apple make and then complain when it is (correctly) pointed out that this represents gouging.
so ... who wants it both ways ?? |
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rubaiyat
9 February 2012
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I don't crow over Apple's profits, just point out that Apple is profitable, will be around for a while, unlike many of its competitors and doesn't have as fat a profit margin as Microsoft has, which effectively owns the tax on PCs.
You have made the nonsense statement over and over again that Apple is ripping off its customers because it charges more than the sum total of the parts and should in your opinion simply charge whatever you think is fair (not much). Yet how long has it taken its competitors to match Apple's prices?
Where they have managed to go under Apple's they have done so by using Android, which is cross subsidised by Google, shaving the usual corners of support, quality and by copying.
Years ago I did a job for The Aids Council only to have them dispute the bill, which btw had been agreed before hand and was very reasonable. Their 'proof' of our 'overcharging' was they had taken our job to a DTP bureau and asked them how much to reproduce it.
I don't know quite how to describe that thinking other than cretinism personified.
That wasn't you was it? |
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j876
9 February 2012
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To all users of the Windows 8 Developer Preview give feedback to Microsoft so that they don't create another Vista or Millenium! I agree if it ain't broke don't fix it!
What about having two GUIs that you can select to be the default view instead of forcing users to use Metro as the default. It is alright for tablets, but clunky for a desktop or notebook.
It's like the fools who tried to ditch the QWERTY layout on computer keyboards. The inventor of the typewriter done it this way to stop the typewriter arms hitting eachother whilst typing and it was the optimum layout at the time and its transferred over to computer keyboards and the modern smartphones and tablets.
Let's face it everyone is familiar with it why change it! |
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amcmo
9 February 2012
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j876,
The original layout was nothing optimal, it was simply to slow the typist down to lessen the change of the arms locking together based on the frequency of use of each letter.
I actually used a DVORAK keyboard at one company as it was already connected to a PC I inherited. After the intial what the.. I learned to like it.
As at that time I was not a touch typist it was possible to learn touch much faster and with fewer errors.
That is one instance where, for new entrants to PC, the DVORAK would have significant benefits.
DVORAK has been shown to have productivity benefits even for long time QWERTY touch typists after a short familiarisation period. We've spent the time since the invention of the IBM Golfball (which fixed the interlock problem) trying to get typists to type faster despite the non-optimal layout when a simple change would have had almost immediate benefit.
That is one case where we are stuck with the old, just because of resistance to change, which can be as stupid as change for change's sake.
If I came across a decent DVORAK keyboard, I would be tempted to swap.
Edited by amcmo: 9/2/2012 11:48:32 AM |
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rubaiyat
9 February 2012
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As amcmo has pointed out, the QWERTY keyboard is institutionalised bad design, that persists only because everyone is used to it.
It was a kludge fix for the mechanical problem with original typewriters, since long gone, and has been an anti-productive burden on the billions of users stuck with it forever.
Getting rid of anti-productive design just like that is the sort of change we should have not the cosmetic fiddling or useless marketing points we get instead. |
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j876
9 February 2012
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I did say optimal not gold plated. Design is about compromise there would be nothing worse typing within a typewriter and having the arms hit each other all the time. The first of anything will always have flaws but it was the most economical and convenient solution at the time. Everything is designed at a cost and compromises have to be made.
If people prefer the DVORAK layout they can use it nothing is stopping them. It hasn't took off because the cost of change obviously outweighs the benefits. Like with every other invention that has come and gone.
Remember the Intel Itanium? The supposed replacement of the x86 series, I didn't think so. It was an architecture designed by Intel to replace the ageing 32-Bit x86 architecture. Itanium was to be from the ground up to be a 64-Bit and beyond exclusive design.
The AMD x64 architecture add-on to the Intel x86 approach smashed it into the ground. The x86-x64 isn't the best 64-Bit instruction set or architecture around but it works and is fully backward compatible with older x86 programs. A massive change in Intel's CPU architecture would have sent many existing computers and software to the scrapheap. AMD added the x64 instructions to the x86 design and saved the world an enormous amount of money and a backflip by Intel resulted. The development of Itanium has ground to a halt.
There is a difference between the best design and an optimal design which compromises and takes all factors into account. Also important to note that everyone has a different opinion of what this optimal design is which makes it difficult to create a best seller but interesting for the market!
Like when the A-List comes out in this magazine one or two entries will always rub someone up the wrong way. That's life!
Edited by J876: 9/2/2012 06:39:50 PM
Edited by J876: 9/2/2012 06:44:01 PM |
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photohounds
9 February 2012
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You're quite ghappy that apple copies things and then claims originality - a double standard ... |
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amcmo
10 February 2012
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Photo - WTF? Of course, the thread had drifted away from being anti-Apple, you needed to get it back on course?
j876,
QWERTY was optimal at the time, it has not been for 60 years or so.
The cost of converting to DVORAK if there were enough keyboard options in the market would be negligible (even $ positive).
As each new computer is purchased you simply convert.
There actually have been studies conducted in the past. Being inquisitive, I looked at this when I was using the DVORAK and wondering why it was largely ignored. The costs of converting, even current PC's back in the early 90's were calculated to be far outweighed by the improvements in productivity. Typewriters were another story.
Your original comment was about the 'fools who tried to ditch'. They were far from fools, in fact one could say that establishment that prevented conversion were the (economic) fools. |
