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elhombre
6 January 2012
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The NBN is an abomination and a shining monument to the stark raving isiocy of labor. Do you have any idea how many hospitals could be built with the billions wasted? Or how big a dent in the 200+ billion dollars of debt these cocksuckers are going to leave behind?
Comment made about the PC & Tech Authority article:
Will 2012 be better for the NBN??
The year 2012 is shaking up to be the true make or break year for the NBN. Here's how far the network has to go.
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photohounds
6 January 2012
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While the aim to connect EVERY Aussie with a fast shiny internet connection is a right and admirable thing to aspire to, what have we seen from 4 years of rhetoric and political posing?
The scoreboard tells the story ... and it tells a tale of woe, inefficiency, very poor results for a lot of taxpayer money and little demonstrated ability to get things moving!
An abject lack of RESULTS! |
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gnome
6 January 2012
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@elhombre, it's frequently been said before, but maybe you weren't listening:
NBN financing will be repaid from operating charges for use of the network. Hospitals are funded from Budget allocations, because they do not, and should not, be expected to make a profit.
So for hopefully the last time - NBN cost has nothing to do with the building of hospitals. And your North American crudity is a dead giveaway to your location.
@photo, I share your incipient frustration at delays in NBN rollout, but most of the holdups have been caused by other parties. And I keep reminding myself that it's a ten year project, so 2012 should see the progress really starting to get on the board.
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petergaskin
6 January 2012
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Gnome you make the assumption that the NBN will make a profit and repay its costs over time.
I know that many younger people do not want a fixed line phone. instead, they use wireless verything and a mobile phone.
So the great question - how many of these consumers need to be convinced to adopt NBN service?
Secondly, while the Government is borrowing money to build the NBN, they have to reduce expenditure some where else.
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photohounds
6 January 2012
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NBN counts for little more than APH fairy stories while no one is using it.
It is valid to say "no-one" in the same terms that any other product would be judged after years.
We want them to give it to us or shut up! |
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leebaldock
6 January 2012
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Um put it in my street and I'll connect straight away. Oh that's right you are doing virtually noWHERE. I need and want faster internet for work from home. Give it to me now. Taiwan, Singapore etc and many many places in the US shit all over us for internet speeds. It's important. |
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photohounds
7 January 2012
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I wouldn't complain - well maybe a little about the cost until I was hooked :) |
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tecma
7 January 2012
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How can we ever take this serious. It is being installed in areas that already have ADSL yet is not being installed in areas that do not.
We reside in an area that is "to far from the exchange" and if common intelligence is used, is therefore ideal for NBN. As there is no competition, it would make a profit, yet there is no NBN installation in the foreseeable future. What a waste of resourses. |
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elhombre
7 January 2012
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@gnome, care to share that cost benefit analysis with the rest of us? You cannot of course because there isn't one. 40 billion dollars plus to be wasted because Conroy f*cked up the original 4.7 billion dollar tender. Never forget these clowns couldn't put pink batts in roofs without killing 4 boys and burning down hundreds of houses but you're sure *this* market perversion is going to turn a profit. |
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et_tu_brute
7 January 2012
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@elhombre... gnome was correct in his statements and I would suggest you re-read his post... by the way, is it at all possible you could try and limit yourself to rational debate and refrain from obscenities when referring people you don't agree with... it fails to provide any credibility to your responses. S'pose I'm in for an irrational flame now... |
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woogaman
7 January 2012
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Conroy's "CLUSTER F**KED!!! would just about under lie this crap! Our ph lines here are 3rd world standards. A lot can be said for the rest of the amenities as well.
Been on satellite 512/256 kbps. I went back to dynamic broadband. Least I can watch iview now. A waste of time with satellite & that's what we will get here as well. It won't be optics. Telstra can't fix the ph lines properly. On my bottom corner of the fence line. The lines come out of the ground & they just crimp the wires in place & shove a length of pvc over it.
She'll be right they say! Next fire that goes through or dozer with a slasher. It's buggered! Clowns are use full in life. Bloody cockroaches would more suit these twits. It would make more sense in putting fibre where they have shit full internet for this to work properly. Nah, as per usual we in the regional area's will be making life easier for the hoards in the cities. It should be one flat bottom price no matter where you live in this big country. Yes Taiwan & South Korea have faster speeds than us. But they also live in homes the size of shoe boxes! They most probably use their computers for pillows.
The next ten years will be interesting. But knowing old habits of these telco's. Somebody will be shafted!!!
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elhombre
7 January 2012
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et_tu_brute,the strong language is an indication of the fury that this pack of incompetents generate. Hundreds of billions of dollars of debt for NOTHING. The backstabbing, lying c*nt that you call a prime minister can't even control the countries borders anymore, but you're all so sure this ridiculous NBN is going to be the one thing they don't stuff up? Sorry, but you're dreaming. |
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elhombre
8 January 2012
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Free tech beats government tech:
Rural doctors received $7.2 million from the federal government for software to enable them to communicate more easily with specialists, but some found downloading Skype was a better option.
Since the launch of the federal scheme six months ago, 1200 doctors across Australia have applied for one-off $6000 grants, which were part of the government’s $620 million ‘’telehealth’’ program.
But the head of a private nursing service that took part in the scheme said doctors who downloaded various paid software programs found they were not compatible.
Any guesses on how the NBN might turn out?
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n3m3515
9 January 2012
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@elhombre, While I understand your frustration and resentment towards the government when they screw up, your comment "Never forget these clowns couldn't put pink batts in roofs without killing 4 boys and burning down hundreds of houses" detracts blame from the greedy and dodgy companies that should have provided proper training and procedures to prevent deaths and fires. Why blame the government when some of these companies were just out for themselves to get as much money as they could!?
Anyway, it is such an early point in the implementation of the NBN that I don't feel initial rollout numbers is much to go on at this stage. |
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elhombre
10 January 2012
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Why blame the government when some of these companies were just out for themselves to get as much money as they could!?
n3m3515 (Good Lord that's a mouthful) I rightly blame the government because they flooded a previously well regulated industry with hundreds of millions of dollars with no thought of the obvious consequences, so the death of those boys is their reponsibility. Just like the 150 or so illegal immigrants that drowned after these fools threw away a working immigration system.
The NBN is an abomination of a monopoly. 11 Billion dollars of tax payers money has gone to Telstra to destroy existing infrastructure so that it cannot compete! And that doesn't sound like leftard idiocy to anyone else here?
I appreciate the strong language offends some people here but sweet Jesus, can't anyone else see what these treasonous dogs are doing? Four years ago Australia had 40 billion dollars in the bank and controlled her own borders, now it about 210 billion dollars in debt and two more years to run borrowing 1 billion dollars every ten days. People are angry.
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amcmo
10 January 2012
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Just one minor point on this.
The customer payments are going to re-pay the initial billions in investment?
Let's just pause to think, how many millions, paying how much per month will it take to repay, what 40 Bn, 60 Bn, who knows the final total cost, with blow-outs. Then factor the maintenance costs, upgrades required. It's going to be decades (if ever) before there's any return on the investment.
As typical with any government imposed 'solution' (regardless of the party that imposed it), it will be a monument to yet further government waste, when private enterprise working to enhance the infrastructure already in place would have achieved the same, probably quicker (2025 and getting later by the day?), and with those billions of OUR money, available to fix the sort of problems that government should be fixing - hospitals, roads (just back from a motorhome trip through NSW and Vic - the state of main highways is bordering on the criminal in places).
I'm not saying that the Coalition plan was necessarily any better, just that this bulldozed, rushed through with insufficient thought bodge of a solution has the looks of yet another politically imposed sows ear. |
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elhombre
11 January 2012
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[quote=amcmo]Just one minor point on this.
The customer payments are going to re-pay the initial billions in investment?
It's all fantasy land stuff amcmo. That's why I got so irritated with the glib brushoff on this forum. Tens of billions of dollars (that we don't have) wasted on this labor brain fart. We can only hope that Juliar Killrudd is both the first ever female Prime Minister and last ever labor Prime Minister, the country cannot afforsd this corrupt, incompetent pack of fools. |
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gnome
14 January 2012
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@elhombre, you sound like you might have a loud Yank accent and you seem to think you should be running this country.
Perhaps you spent a few years here until recently, trying to bounce the government in an attempt to make it do what you wanted?
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elhombre
14 January 2012
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Born in Wollongong gnome. If you want to get into a patriotism pissing contest lets compare regiments. Who did you serve with and who was your CO? If you can't answer that then perhaps you should adddress the subject of this thread, (you cannot do that either of course hence this attempt at playing the man). You lost, fool.
gnome wrote:
@elhombre, you sound like you might have a loud Yank accent and you seem to think you should be running this country.
Perhaps you spent a few years here until recently, trying to bounce the government in an attempt to make it do what you wanted?
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photohounds
14 January 2012
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What we need is to resurrect the absent of due diligence. Instead we have the 'endless bucket economics' currently in vogue. It is coupled with a desire to foist on us, infrastructure we do NOT have the population density to pay for. Quite OK in Shanghai or HK which have Australia's pop. in ONE CITY
Building the entertainment network? My boy's high school has ample 'cool' iTablets and other electronic 'innovative learning aids'. I am so glad that teachers to have enough screen-based entertainment.
A year on and what have I learned? These electronic toys do NOT substitute for an educatOR and guess who takes up the slack? |
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elhombre
15 January 2012
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You know gnome, if self awareness ever hits you can always take those Kev07 t-shirts (I'm sure you've still got them), tie them into a noose and do the gene pool a favour. I'm sure the ALP will put on a great send off for you.
elhombre wrote:Born in Wollongong gnome. If you want to get into a patriotism pissing contest lets compare regiments. Who did you serve with and who was your CO? If you can't answer that then perhaps you should adddress the subject of this thread, (you cannot do that either of course hence this attempt at playing the man). You lost, fool. gnome wrote:
@elhombre, you sound like you might have a loud Yank accent and you seem to think you should be running this country.
Perhaps you spent a few years here until recently, trying to bounce the government in an attempt to make it do what you wanted?
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elhombre
16 January 2012
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You've gone awfully quiet all of a sudden gnome. Perhaps you're looking for that mysterious cost benefit analysis? |
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rubaiyat
16 January 2012
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Did the Howard government do a cost benfit analysis of its dollars down the drain schemes?
My wife works in the Canberra Federal bureaucracy. The gianormous amounts of money that was wasted on "outsourcing" (code for paying large US corporations to under service and rip us off) failed to attract criticsm.
Also the Howard pork barreled with its tree planting schemes that produced a lot of dead trees, olive grove tax farms and farmers who quietly told me what a rip off it was but "heck free money is free money".
Howard also wasted billions on the "children throwing overboard criminals" sending them off to internment camps overseas and quietly letting them in when their refugee claims were vindicated years later.
Howard also burnt billions in Suparannuation and retirees investments in the Telstra floats/monopoly, leading to the problems that are now having to be fixed with the NBN.
I gather you are not complaing about the amn6y times more billions being currently wasted on the lowtech communications status quo?
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elhombre
16 January 2012
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You mean the Howard Government that controlled our borders, paid off 90 billion dollars of debt and left 40 billion dollars in the bank? Aside from that, Howard has been out of power for something like 4 years, so you really need to let go of your twisted hatred and deal with the problems facing us NOW, like this perverted abortion of an NBN.
rubaiyat wrote:Did the Howard government do a cost benfit analysis of its dollars down the drain schemes?
My wife works in the Canberra Federal bureaucracy. The gianormous amounts of money that was wasted on "outsourcing" (code for paying large US corporations to under service and rip us off) failed to attract criticsm.
Also the Howard pork barreled with its tree planting schemes that produced a lot of dead trees, olive grove tax farms and farmers who quietly told me what a rip off it was but "heck free money is free money".
Howard also wasted billions on the "children throwing overboard criminals" sending them off to internment camps overseas and quietly letting them in when their refugee claims were vindicated years later.
Howard also burnt billions in Suparannuation and retirees investments in the Telstra floats/monopoly, leading to the problems that are now having to be fixed with the NBN.
I gather you are not complaing about the amn6y times more billions being currently wasted on the lowtech communications status quo?
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elhombre
16 January 2012
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A minor correction is required there. When I said "90 billion dollars of debt I meant, of course, 90 billion dollars of labor debt.
elhombre wrote:You mean the Howard Government that controlled our borders, paid off 90 billion dollars of debt and left 40 billion dollars in the bank? Aside from that, Howard has been out of power for something like 4 years, so you really need to let go of your twisted hatred and deal with the problems facing us NOW, like this perverted abortion of an NBN. rubaiyat wrote:Did the Howard government do a cost benfit analysis of its dollars down the drain schemes?
My wife works in the Canberra Federal bureaucracy. The gianormous amounts of money that was wasted on "outsourcing" (code for paying large US corporations to under service and rip us off) failed to attract criticsm.
Also the Howard pork barreled with its tree planting schemes that produced a lot of dead trees, olive grove tax farms and farmers who quietly told me what a rip off it was but "heck free money is free money".
Howard also wasted billions on the "children throwing overboard criminals" sending them off to internment camps overseas and quietly letting them in when their refugee claims were vindicated years later.
Howard also burnt billions in Suparannuation and retirees investments in the Telstra floats/monopoly, leading to the problems that are now having to be fixed with the NBN.
I gather you are not complaing about the amn6y times more billions being currently wasted on the lowtech communications status quo?
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elhombre
16 January 2012
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Hey gnome, your pissweak attempt at a personal attack on me comes straight out of the ALP playbook, and you proved to be about as competent at it as they are.
Labor sneers at Medicare waste report
Medicare is being ripped off to the tune of $2 billion to $3 billion a year, according to Dr Tony Webber, the former head of the Professional Services Review which was set up to police Medicare.
The scheme is a “monster” says Webber, who highlighted two items – the government’s General Practice Management Plans (GPMPs) and Team Care Arrangements (TCAs) as “opportunities for bonanza”, in an article in today’s Medical Journal of Australia.
As former chief of the Professional Services Review, he said he gained insight into how dysfunctional the system had become.
What has the Leftist Gillard Labor-Green-Independent minority government’s response been?
Here’s a spokesman for acting health minister Nicola Roxon: “Dr Webber has no responsibility in the area of health policy or funding. Accordingly, he is unable to comment with authority on these matters.”
What an absolute joke. When he was head of the Professional Services Review, Dr Webber was responsible for running a peer review which involved a sample of around 270 doctors.
He possesses the real basis for authority – experience.
What he says counts. What’s more, if the same experience test was applied to any member of Gillard’s Cabinet they would fail.
Not one has had any real experience in the field, let alone in the area of they are now nominally in charge of administering.
Dr Webber’s advice should be heeded. Roxon should have sent a jet to fetch Dr Webber today and the absent Health Minister Tanya Plibersek should have returned from wherever she is to hear what he has to say.
But no. Here is a health professional, an expert in public health, reporting a $2 billion to $3 billion rip-off and the Gillard Labor government attacks him and ignores his message.
Going public with criticism of public policy, as Dr Webber has done today, calls for real courage.
His remarks deserve to be treated seriously and examined thoroughly.
The Gillard Labor government has responded by doing what it does best – attacking the messenger and attempting to smear and denigrate him and his credentials.
As plenty of political experts know, this is the response of a dysfunctional government.
elhombre wrote:You've gone awfully quiet all of a sudden gnome. Perhaps you're looking for that mysterious cost benefit analysis? |
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elhombre
16 January 2012
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Oh, and I love your avatar by the way.
rubaiyat wrote:Did the Howard government do a cost benfit analysis of its dollars down the drain schemes?
My wife works in the Canberra Federal bureaucracy. The gianormous amounts of money that was wasted on "outsourcing" (code for paying large US corporations to under service and rip us off) failed to attract criticsm.
Also the Howard pork barreled with its tree planting schemes that produced a lot of dead trees, olive grove tax farms and farmers who quietly told me what a rip off it was but "heck free money is free money".
Howard also wasted billions on the "children throwing overboard criminals" sending them off to internment camps overseas and quietly letting them in when their refugee claims were vindicated years later.
Howard also burnt billions in Suparannuation and retirees investments in the Telstra floats/monopoly, leading to the problems that are now having to be fixed with the NBN.
I gather you are not complaing about the amn6y times more billions being currently wasted on the lowtech communications status quo?
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rubaiyat
17 January 2012
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The Howard government sold off a lot of public assets, which we are now paying for, and massively taxed its way to surplus, something conveniently not mentioned by conservatives.
The avatar is designed specifically for wankers like you. Keeps your hands busy and your keyboard sticky.
Don't mistake me for a Labor supporter by the way. I also think they are a pack of clueless party hacks. Much like the opposition.
However Labor did NOT do the wrong thing by following advice from Finance and pump priming the economy in the face of the GFC.
Anyone who travels knows that Australia got it right and the hypocritical morons of the right would have loved for us to have failed like all the other major global economies. They are just itching for us to go back to the global white crime wave of the millenium that lead to the GFC.
PS Can you show me Howard's Cost Benefits Analysis that lead to the selling off of Telstra to create a virtual private monopoly, rip off the shareholders, and cause the stagnation in telecommunications that the NBN is now belatedly trying to fix.
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elhombre
17 January 2012
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Nasty little leftard aren't you? So in your world the Howard Governmnet should be criticised for NOT saving enough money for this pack of criminals to piss up against the wall? Exactly what planet are you on? What is your parasite of a public service wife going to do for a pension now that the future fund has been blown on Julia Gillard memorial piss troughs?
Your revisionist rewriting of history is utter drivel, it was the strong banking sector (thanks to Costello) and the billions left in the bank that saved us, not the Krudd/Swan spend fest. How is kruddie doing by the way?
rubaiyat wrote:The Howard government sold off a lot of public assets, which we are now paying for, and massively taxed its way to surplus, something conveniently not mentioned by conservatives.
Nasty little leftard aren't you?
The avatar is designed specifically for wankers like you. Keeps your hands busy and your keyboard sticky.
Don't mistake me for a Labor supporter by the way. I also think they are a pack of clueless party hacks. Much like the opposition.
However Labor did NOT do the wrong thing by following advice from Finance and pump priming the economy in the face of the GFC.
Anyone who travels knows that Australia got it right and the hypocritical morons of the right would have loved for us to have failed like all the other major global economies. They are just itching for us to go back to the global white crime wave of the millenium that lead to the GFC.
PS Can you show me Howard's Cost Benefits Analysis that lead to the selling off of Telstra to create a virtual private monopoly, rip off the shareholders, and cause the stagnation in telecommunications that the NBN is now belatedly trying to fix.
Edited by rubaiyat: 17/1/2012 02:12:45 PM |
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amcmo
17 January 2012
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Personally think both parties are bordering on the subhuman and have more than their share of incompetants.
On balance, I'd say the current lot have displayed a greater propensity for cock-ups and waste than the previous.
Back to the NBN.
As with all government monopolies, regardless of who foists them upon us. $$$$ down the drain when I am certain private enterprise could do it for less, and faster. |
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elhombre
17 January 2012
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I agree amcmo. It has got a tiny bit emotional but this government does bring the anger out in the grownups. So much waste, so much incompetence.
amcmo wrote:Personally think both parties are bordering on the subhuman and have more than their share of incompetants.
On balance, I'd say the current lot have displayed a greater propensity for cock-ups and waste than the previous.
Back to the NBN.
As with all government monopolies, regardless of who foists them upon us. $$$$ down the drain when I am certain private enterprise could do it for less, and faster. |
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rubaiyat
17 January 2012
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Other than an endless stream of indignant abusive names I don't think you have much to contribute to the debate.
Nasty, parasite and revisionist, perhaps rabid mouth-frothing fascist would appear to be personal honorifics.
You're not that towering revisionist scholar of history Alan Jones by any chance?
He also does all his research by reading pulp fiction, endlessly mouthing other's rants and seeking out fringe lunatics that confirm his world view. |
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rubaiyat
17 January 2012
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I'm tired of the focus on trivial stuff ups by "Government". They happened under Gillard, Rudd, Howard, Keating, Hawk, etc going back to forever. None of them have clean hands.
I've worked for large companies who are just as bad in many ways, except they have considerably less scrutiny and no public auditors to shine the light on their failures.
On any objective measure the so called "Public Waste" is so petty as to appear insignificant compared with the monumental waste and damage of the GFC.
The "Free Enterprisers" rapidly turned socialist when they wanted government, and the mug taxpayer, to pick up the tab for their corporate incompetence, bottomless greed, stupidity and corruption.
Then they have the unmitigated gall to actually blame the governments for saving their wretched bacon!
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elhombre
17 January 2012
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You're only "tired" of it because you can't defend it. I did not start the personal attacks, but I will admit I enjoy a good brawl. Hundreds of Billions of Dollars of public waste is not insignificant, but you're a leftard and you're not going to see sense.
rubaiyat wrote:I'm tired of the focus on trivial stuff ups by "Government". They happened under Gillard, Rudd, Howard, Keating, Hawk, etc going back to forever. None of them have clean hands.
I've worked for large companies who are just as bad in many ways, except they have considerably less scrutiny and no public auditors to shine the light on their failures.
On any objective measure the so called "Public Waste" is so petty as to appear insignificant compared with the monumental waste and damage of the GFC.
The "Free Enterprisers" rapidly turned socialist when they wanted government, and the mug taxpayer, to pick up the tab for their corporate incompetence, bottomless greed, stupidity and corruption.
Then they have the unmitigated gall to actually blame the governments for saving their wretched bacon!
Edited by rubaiyat: 17/1/2012 03:40:44 PM |
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elhombre
17 January 2012
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I've already won the debate, fool. That became obvious as soon as the first persoanl attack from gnome was launched. You've got nothing!
rubaiyat wrote:Other than an endless stream of indignant abusive names I don't think you have much to contribute to the debate.
Nasty, parasite and revisionist, perhaps rabid mouth-frothing fascist would appear to be personal honorifics.
You're not that towering revisionist scholar of history Alan Jones by any chance?
He also does all his research by reading pulp fiction, endlessly mouthing other's rants and seeking out fringe lunatics that confirm his world view. |
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elhombre
18 January 2012
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I think we can put this debate to bed. Common consensus is that the NBN is an utter abomination of an attempt to re-monopolise telecommunications and a sickening waste of money we don’t have. Arguments against this were nothing but personal attacks, pitiful attempts at rewriting history and a faintly disturbing masturbation fantasy from a twisted little labor voter. |
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rubaiyat
18 January 2012
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Like most fools, you only listen to yourself and anyone who agrees with you.
Common consensus my foot. Along with all your other over the top hyperbole.
If the twisted little labor voter barb was aimed at me you are an even greater fool than cursory inspection indicates.
I don't have to defend anything because I don't even agree with most of it. But when the argument is the rancid pot calling the kettle black it is only fair to call out the inane nonsense for what it is. |
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rubaiyat
18 January 2012
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elhombre wrote:I've already won the debate, fool. That became obvious as soon as the first persoanl attack from gnome was launched. You've got nothing!
Nothing except for your first abusive quote:
elhombre wrote:The NBN is an abomination and a shining monument to the stark raving isiocy of labor. Do you have any idea how many hospitals could be built with the billions wasted? Or how big a dent in the 200+ billion dollars of debt these cocksuckers are going to leave behind? |
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elhombre
18 January 2012
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rubaiyat wrote:Like most fools, you only listen to yourself and anyone who agrees with you.
Common consensus my foot. Along with all your other over the top hyperbole.
If the twisted little labor voter barb was aimed at me you are an even greater fool than cursory inspection indicates.
I don't have to defend anything because I don't even agree with most of it. But when the argument is the rancid pot calling the kettle black it is only fair to call out the inane nonsense for what it is. |
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davidjons13
19 January 2012
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NBN counts for little added than APH bogie belief while no one is application it. I charge and wish faster internet for plan from home. Give it to me now. Taiwan, Singapore etc and abounding abounding places in the US bits all over us for internet speeds. |
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aaricevans
27 January 2012
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thanks "rubaiyat" you have shared much better information which helped me so much. I think it will help to other people. |
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kendokunti
10 February 2012
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Elhombre, everyword that you have said on these pages has been absolutely spot on, and I couldn't agree with you more, you are a legend and deserve a Medal,and gnome is that a how to vote labor card that's just fallen out of your pocket? So it is and that's your business mate but dont get annoyed when your gillard/labor excuses dont wash with other Australians because thats our choice. |
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elhombre
16 February 2012
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Howdy Kendo, apologies for the delay in reply but I've just gotten back to civilisation. Isn't it amazing that there are so many labor voters out there perfectly happy to bankrupt the country so long as they can download their child pornography a bit faster?
Read this NBN fuckwits, I look forward to the evasions, pisssweak attempts at personal insults and sycophantic ex facto justifications :
THEY were told they were the lucky ones - the first people in Australia to get the National Broadband Network.
Now, highlighting the risk of governments picking technologies, these "early movers" - 4000 Tasmanian premises in three towns - are being told they are stuck in the NBN slow lane and face missing out on the next generation of faster, better value service packages.
The technology used to connect the first customers in the three chosen towns - Smithton, Scottsdale and Midway Point - is different from that now being used to deliver the nationwide rollout of the $36 billion network, including the rest of Tasmania.
Industry sources say this difference relates to both the small box in people's homes, known as an Optical Network Termination unit, and the underlying technology used to deliver the service.
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Because of the difference, Telstra and other industry sources say companies providing services via the NBN will find it hard if not impossible to offer these early movers the next generation of service packages. Telstra has said it cannot offer a commercial service to customers in the three Tasmanian towns until the trial technology is replaced.
The telco and consumer group Digital Tasmania say other service providers will face the same problem in delivering the next generation of NBN packages to these three towns.
The Coalition said the apparent bungle was symptomatic of a government that gambled taxpayers' money on technology without sufficient research. Smithton single mother Kate Cross said after six months without a reliable phone line while her NBN service was being set up, she would be angry if she missed out on the next generation of packages. "If this means we are behind the eight ball because other people are getting better technology, then why did we go through that rough period when we were being the guinea pigs?" Ms Cross said.
"I got the NBN as soon as I could after the rollout. But for five to six months I didn't have a reliable phone service because it was linked under the NBN and it kept dropping out and having this squeaking noise . . . They sold us this pie-in-the-sky idea of brilliant fast internet but I can't say that's what we've got."
NBN Co said last night that by year end it would begin a process of swapping the old Tasmanian NEC boxes with new Alcatel ones, at no cost to consumers.
Ms Cross said she had little faith that this would occur soon.
"I don't believe that because there are people on the outskirts of town, only metres from the (NBN fibre-optic) line who have been told it could be years before they get even the NBN," she said.
Liberal senator David Bushby, chairman of the Senate economics references committee, said the government "went out and bought the first technology available, rather than waited for the overall tender to be available.
"So because of this there was always going to be a risk that the technology they came up with was going to be incompatible with the technology the NBN would ultimately end up with."
Telstra's southern Tasmania general manager, Noel Hunt, said the different NEC technology platform used in the early rollout meant it could not offer the trial towns its planned new generation NBN packages. These are expected to include higher speeds and better value, and be linked to popular, high-definition movie downloads available with T-box and T-hub technology.
He expected other service providers would have the same problem, which applied not only to the 677 premises that had taken up the NBN in those towns but to all 4000 prospective customers.
Mr Hunt said the only way to resolve the problem for people in the three towns was to convert the platform technology to that now being used by the NBN in the national rollout.
Under questioning in Senate estimates on Tuesday, NBN Co chief executive Mike Quigley suggested this conversion, which industry sources estimated would cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, was not coming any time soon. "It (the existing platform in the three towns) will certainly last the distance but at some point in time we no doubt will decide that we're going to change that into the standard national platform," Mr Quigley said. "We haven't made any decision about when."
Broadband Minister Senator Conroy had not responded to requests for comment by late yesterday.
kendokunti wrote:Elhombre, everyword that you have said on these pages has been absolutely spot on, and I couldn't agree with you more, you are a legend and deserve a Medal,and gnome is that a how to vote labor card that's just fallen out of your pocket? So it is and that's your business mate but dont get annoyed when your gillard/labor excuses dont wash with other Australians because thats our choice. |
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elhombre
16 February 2012
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Oh, and 'ruibya' or 'rubbydick' or whatever the fuck your name is, you better check on your bum boy gnome, he's probably getting fairly ripe by now. |
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amcmo
16 February 2012
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elhombre,
While I agree that the NBN process has been an abomination based on political expediency, rather than a reasoned discussion, of available technology and it's implementation, this thread has gone far beyond the civilised.
Time for all to back off and focus on the topic of the thread and cut the unnecessarily offensive posts. |
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elhombre
20 February 2012
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Hello amcmo,
Fair point, and I can see how my posts are offensive, but there is an immense amount of fury building over the damage being done to Australia, we sit over here and watch these flacid civilians making excuses. I can tell you that the only reason civil war isn't on the horizon is because you would not find a single digger that would EVER admit voting for labour. While we were fighting and dying this fat arsed **** saw fit to send her driver to NSC meetings because she was too busy. People are very, very angry amcmo and we use the language available to us. But, you have a point and I won't post here again.
amcmo wrote:elhombre,
While I agree that the NBN process has been an abomination based on political expediency, rather than a reasoned discussion, of available technology and it's implementation, this thread has gone far beyond the civilised.
Time for all to back off and focus on the topic of the thread and cut the unnecessarily offensive posts. |
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rubaiyat
20 February 2012
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elhombre You sound like a right moron but maybe (unlikely but still possible) you have actually done some homework before shooting your mouth off.
How much did the existing woeful infrastructure cost?
Who built it, with whose money?
Who flogged it off to a near monopoly? How many billions did the sucker investors, who bought it as part of their super, get diddled for?
Who claimed to be responsible money managers by taking the family furniture to the hockshop then leasing it back again?
And how much does Australia pay each year for telecommunications?
Compare that to the annual expenditure on upgrading it to the NBN. |
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goresh
23 February 2012
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elhombre:
"Never forget these clowns couldn't put pink batts in roofs without killing 4 boys and burning down hundreds of houses"
Irrelevant but since you brought it up, 3 of those boys were electrocuted.
In each of the 3 years of work choices, around 9 tradesmen were electrocuted working in private residences. Where is your outrage at that?
The other boy died of heat exhaustion.
In ALL cases, the coroner verdict was that the employer breached OH&S laws and government guidelines which was the sole cause of death. In each case the coroner found that the government had NO part in the deaths.
As for the fires, in teh final total there were less than 200.
In each and every year previously there were around 80 house fires attributed to insulation.
The difference was that in teh one year of the scheme, over 1.1 MILLION homes were insulated.
There were in fact 40 times MORE fires per installation PRIOR to the scheme than during it. |
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goresh
23 February 2012
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elhombre:
"So in your world the Howard Governmnet should be criticised for NOT saving enough money for this pack of criminals to piss up against the wall?"
As a percentage of GDP, the debt left by the Fraser/Howard government was higher than what Howard/Costello got back. The average interest rate over the term of both governments was significantly higher under Fraser/Howard than either the Whitlam or Hawke/Keating governments and Howard as treasurer ran a higher defiicit each and every year than Whitlam did.
"Your revisionist rewriting of history is utter drivel, it was the strong banking sector (thanks to Costello)"
What did Costello have to do with it? Both Howard and Costello (to their credit) happily attributed the reform of the banking sector to Keating.
At best, all Costello can be credited for is not breaking the system that he inherited from Keating. |