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photohounds
22 September 2011
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Closer to their real value every day. This will make the android makers take notice too. End result? Less price gouging from both camps for these COMMODITIES - and that's great!
Comment made about the PC & Tech Authority article:
Tech deals: Save up to $168 on iPad 2 devices?
Looking for a cheap iPad? Kogan Technologies is now selling Apple iPad 2s at up to $168 off the recommended retail price.
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rubaiyat
23 September 2011
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How do you know their "real value" photohounds?
The competitors, who have not had to do the hard yards coming up with either the design or OS, are struggling to get under Apple's prices.
You truly are exhausting! |
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photohounds
23 September 2011
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An instant $168 off the price speaks volumes. It is still the SAME product. These gadgets will become much cheaper yet.
The hard yards??
Like MAKING the technology of low-power touch screens possible - that's someone else. (Samsung keeps the best for THEIR phones/tablets)
Like making a low consumption processor - that's someone else too.
Like making batteries light and powerful - someone else.
Like providing the basis for their OS - someone else BSD.
Good product well executed - YES.
Brainstoming 'can we flog a lot of these?' YES
Seeing and siezing the opportunity? NO QUESION.
Seminal in a making all this possible in the first place ???? I almost spat my coffee at the thought of how many might actually believe that ... |
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amcmo
23 September 2011
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Instant $168, sure.
Kogan has managed to get his hands on some from some backdoor channel. No bricks and mortar shop to pay obscene rent on, no sales and support staff to pay, no having to have to have trained techs in house to handle first line servicing if problems crop up. No trained staff to handhold granny when she doesn't know how to push the power button..... All he does is fob any issues off to Apple. May not add up to $168 per unit, however in true Kogan style he's just trying to screw over your local Apple (or PC/electriacal) outlet with his minimal cost setup. While you're entitled to save a buck, remember it might be one of your relo's or friends who gets done out of a job to stoke Kogan's ego.
OK, should something go wrong, you wander into your local Apple outlet... They are within their legal rights to tell you to send it back to Kogan - Sales of Goods Act, he's responsible for sorting out any issues, organising service. Send it straight back to Apple, while they will no doubt sort it, they would be within their rights inisting you send it to Kogan, then for him to organise it's return to Apple for service, just to piss him off.
Photo, your usual 'seminal' rubbish.
While all the chips may have been available from various vendors, it was Apple who designed the integration of the ARM and the VR chip, and tweaked the ARM for the right results. Just as it was IBM who cobbled together the bits to make a PC.
A truck load of good parts (screens etc) are worthless if you haven't got the ability to design, spec, build the product and integrate it with the OS for your end result. Witness the crap Kogan Tablet, XOOM, HP Tablet, Playbook. All abysmally short of being decent iPad competitors. Notice, I haven't listed your favourite Samsung as it MAY be a competitor despite being a rip off copy in look and feel.
Compare BSD with iOS significant difference. Someone had to develop the OS.
Suggest to go back to spitting in your coffee and give the Anti-Apple a rest.
Edited by amcmo: 23/9/2011 01:36:18 PM |
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photohounds
23 September 2011
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amcmo wrote:Instant $168, sure.
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... remember it might be one of your relo's or friends who gets done out of a job to stoke Kogan's ego.
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I see AM has arrived ... with a 'new' wad of claims. Back-door? Quite likely, but do you KNOW this?
By the rant above, we should only buy Australian made tablets (if only that were possible, sigh), a pity since the electronics industry went south with Gough in the '70s.
More in line with your fabulous edict, the Big A should only sell products made in USA.
Wonderfully transparent, to draw the 'local' line precisely where YOU want it to be.
These things are over priced and they WILL become cheaper.
Only the fan boys keep the prices up.
The FACT is, other makers MAKE these devices possible for the Big A to tweak & market.
Edited by photohounds: 23/9/2011 04:52:09 PM |
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amcmo
23 September 2011
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At least my claims have factual basis, as opposed to the anti-Apple every time we have come to expect.
Kogan stated he was aquiring from overseas sources and not just Apple product = Back Door.
Apple do not tolerate discounting of that nature (apart from the fact the margin they give doesn't allow it).
And before you ask - I've seen the margins offered as we purchase non-Apple product from an Apple disty and the dealer margins are SLIM. You were the one ranting about his pricing proving that the tablets should be much cheaper.
I was only showing (I should realise it would never get through)some of the reasons why he can offer such a discount. Personally I'd prefer to buy from a local specialist and get local service, keep the local guys in business and not support Kogan's grandstanding. If anything goes wrong, I have a local person to beat about the head, rather than some anonyomous warehouse with staff who may not give a shit about my problems. Each to his own.
Nothing I said suggested we should only buy local (Australian)... quite a stretch there. And just for the record, I was in the electronics industry when we got it in the ar.e from the politicians, however reality is, manufacture of these items is where it is and we live with that.
As for your ridiculous claims that only fan boys are keeping the price up. With over 25M sold by June, that's one hell of a lot of fanboys. Strange, however most of the people with them I have seen in my travels are just ordinary folk.
Guess there's just millions of smart fanboys, and they've mastered the art of looking like normal neighbours who don't give a sh.t about the Apple/Android wars, just want a product that works, which at present is the iPad.
By your claim, other makers MAKE almost every device that ANY sucessful company tweaks and markets, including your beloved Samsung.
Just for the record, Samsung licence DRAM tech, LCD tech, including OLED, Flash Tech, Wireless tech - they weren't the original inventors of ANY of it! They're just a good tweaking and processing company.
There is no manufacturer anywhere in the world that invents, designs, manufactures every important part of their end product.
The brilliance (explained yet again) is in the ability to conceptualise an end product and find the most effective devices necessary to achieve that end result, often working with other companies, or having your own semiconductor engineers (YES APPLE HAS THEM!!) design parts of the item for a foundry to produce for you.
Edited by amcmo: 23/9/2011 05:35:02 PM |
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photohounds
23 September 2011
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Yep, only Apple contribute to the progress of the computer industry.
Other companies are mere putty in the hands of geniuses at Big A.
I see it now ...
Toshiba, LG and Samsung must licence their screen tech from Apple as only Apple can invent something - all clear now.
I've only ever said that many companies contribute - not just the one in the limelight ...
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amcmo
26 September 2011
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Photo, I don't know where you got that response from.
At no point have I suggested that only Apple contribute to the progress of the computer industry.
Again, at not point did I suggest that Samsung, LG etc licence their screen tech from Apple.
Part of my point was that the Samsung 'best screen in the world' (in your words), was not a Samsung invention, but based one someone elses invention.
That Samsung have developed it further is indisputable, however this was in response to your endless attempts to suggest that Apple merely assemble other people's tech.
My point, yet again for the slow of learning, - EVERY major manufacturer is dependent on someone else's tech. What made Apple's iPhone and iPad stand out was the way they integrated it with their own tech, plus O/S and user inteface.
Despite having access to much of this technology, to date, on the iPad, no one has come out with an equal or superior product. It is only recently (4-5 years later) that they have equalled or surpassed the iPhone. |
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rubaiyat
26 September 2011
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photohounds wrote:Yep, only Apple contribute to the progress of the computer industry.
Other companies are mere putty in the hands of geniuses at Big A.
You quote your own rantings and then argue against them?
In your mind Apple just sits in Cupertino waiting for the "real" innovators to knock on their door so they can then use their incredible marketing skills to shift them?
All these "real" innovators are under some pact to not take their products to any other company, nor to manufacture the same product themselves?
How come that they are so slack, that it takes them years to make copies of the iPads or iPhones or iPods or iMacs or Mac Minis or Macbook Airs etc and bring them to market, when it was really they who originated the products, and not Apple?
How are you with the moon landings and the Earth being the centre of the Universe? |
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umbria
26 September 2011
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Kogan does have bricks-and-mortar costs, amcmo, just that they are warehouse costs, not retail outlets. If Apple is squeezing its loyal retail managers' margins, Kogan's grey import approach is just the ticket to send Apple the message.
Bookstores in Australia have been denied access to parallel imports for years by bully publishers who would deny future deliveries of local titles if you sourced their international titles from anyone except their local bully-boy distribution channel. When customers found out about Bookdepository.co.uk it was the nail in the coffin for a large chunk of Aussie book retailing.
Kogan is doing Apple's resellers a favour by showing how to open this door before more customers do it for themselves and cut out the retailer. |
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rubaiyat
26 September 2011
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Currently Apple is not a big offender here.
The difference between Australian and USA RRP including GST is not that great, especially when compared with some of the gouging that other importers engage in.
I have some sympathy for importers. It must be hard to set prices with the Australian dollar bouncing around the way it does.
I suspect Kogan has got some superseded, or soon to be superseded stock and is selling it as a back channel for Apple.
btw Don't worry about warranty. Apple recognises warranty on their goods worldwide. They are unique on this to my knowledge and always have been. |
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amcmo
26 September 2011
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Umbria,
Kogan's warehouse costs on a per metre basis would be a fraction of those paid by retailers, plus staff costs in a warehouse on a per transaction basis are much lower running just a distribution centre. Even assuming they could source the devices overseas, they are still at a significant disadvantage to Kogan.
Kogan's grey imports send no message to Apple, and the only message they send to retailers is that some arrogant prick is back door-ing them.
The customer will continue to come to the retailer, get the demo, ask for help in understanding just what they need, waste their staff time, then shaft them on the on-line order.
No wonder more and more outlets are now charging a try-on or demonstration fee, refundable if you purchase from them. As for getting after sales support, I'd encourage resellers to tell customers with any problems to send it back to Kogan (point of sale and responsible under Sale of Goods) and see how lousy their support will be.
That said, have to wonder how long before Apple finds out just who is supplying Kogan and slams that door in his face.
The bookstore analogy is slightly incorrect in that the publishers convinced the government that we had to pay double royalties to 'support local writers', so it was a conspiracy on the part of publishers helped by dumb politicians believing the crap. Same still applies in video distribution. |
