100 Watt USB to take on Thunderbolt

100 Watt USB to take on Thunderbolt

USB's next update aims to replace the tangle of power cords needs by handheld and peripheral devices.

USB is one of those second generation technologies that were built to scale. As technologies like Serial and Parallel Ports, Parallel ATA hard drives and PCI were pushed to their limits it became clear that a proper rethink was needed. No one ever planned for the first generation of technology to last so long, which resulted in increasingly outlandish means of ekeing out more performance.

So with replacements like USB, SATA and PCI-Express engineers planned for the future. As each new generation increased speeds, it would do so without killing compatibility with existing devices on the market. This focusing on scaling when designing the first generation has created technologies that are enduring and evolving without requiring constant upgrading.

We are even seeing a conscious planning for the future, driven by motherboard manufacturers. USB 3 has been commonplace on motherboards for a year now, and three of the top four manufacturers are already shipping PCI-Express 3.0 based products (We did ask the fourth, ASUS, about its plans for PCI-E and for now there are none). We are also starting to see USB 3 move beyond external hard drives, with Transcend announcing a USB 3 card reader to the delight of videographers earlier this week (They should probably avoid using a non-USB 3 Macbook Pro to illustrate it though).

With Apple now pushing Intel’s Thunderbolt technology for high bandwidth external connections (curiously enough Thunderbolt is PCI-Express based) USB has fallen out of favour in OSX land. In Windows land things are looking better, and USB 3 is now consistently mentioned as a selling point when we are briefed on new laptop models. In fact, one of the big selling points is the benefits of USB 3 ports for charging smartphones and tablets.

Last year we saw motherboard manufacturers introduce technologies like Gigabyte’s On/Off charge and 3x power. These allow for charging via USB when devices are powered off, and some power circuitry trickiness to pump out more juice while charging devices like tablets. This has turned up on some laptops, and now the USB Implementers Forum has announced plans for a new USB power delivery subspec.

Designed to work with both USB 2 and USB 3 connections, it ups power delivery to an astonishing 100W (Thunderbolt is only capable of 10W) while allowing devices to better communicate their power requirements. Power Supply manufacturers in particular must be rubbing their hands in glee, as this could potentially mean devices like printers and monitors could be powered via USB.

From the brief announcement one suspects that it will require new hardware for power delivery to work, which will likely turn up on motherboards well before it appears on laptops. But it will enable a whole new usage model for USB, and should hopefully be suitable for some time. Tablets already ship with proprietary charging cables, because USB power is insufficient. By implementing a good USB power delivery spec this should hopefully be a short lived thing.   

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Comments: 9
petergaskin
11 August 2011
So that means new desktop pcs will need a significant increase in power capacity to run the new usb ports.
How many usb ports will a desktop be able to run with?
Do we all remember the days when the monitor power was plugged into the desktop?
So how does thsi all equate to saving power?


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100 Watt USB to take on Thunderbolt?
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photohounds
11 August 2011
Maybe not saving power at the PC per se, but overall it might be?

I also like the idea of not having 12 different plug-packs, and mucking around with voltages and polarities. I label both ends of these critters to make things more manageable.

I WON'T miss the ridiculous prices SOME greedy companies charge for something that costs them 60c to manufacture (or outsource) - with packaging ...
amcmo
12 August 2011
Looking at the respective specs, I don't see this as 'Taking On' Thunderbolt, more another type of interface that may co-exist, though I have to wonder about the implications of shunting another 100 Watts or more (multiple ports) through the motherboard.
photohounds
12 August 2011
Perhaps the moBo will simply control it, rather than it actually flowing on much MoMb copper? I look forward to replacing that bloody tangle. I had a look and stopped counting at 20 devices that need plugpacks - didn't get them all. Such a waste as it is bad enough to throw the device away if you step on it (kids) but the plugpack is still oK, and there's already a box i the garage fill of'em :)

"Most computer equipment goes to the tip in perfect working order." True in my home, even though it is used by at least 3 owners or for 3 purposes as I hate thropwng it away.
Even then it still works but can't do the latest "this or that" or software won't work with it, and no one wants it - even charities :(
amcmo
12 August 2011
I know what you mean about the charities.

We moved to all LCD displays in house and had some 2-3 year old 15 and 17" crt's.

Offered them to the local charities, checked and certified. They didn't want them. Seems people on a benefit look down their nose at a CRT.

As for the tangle.

My desktop 2 PC's, has 3 USB keys, USB drive (2), USB hard drive cradle, USB KVM, Speakers, USB to UPS's, external USB XDSC reader. Think that's the lot, however it's such a birdsnest, there could be anything hiding back there.

Edited by amcmo: 12/8/2011 11:21:57 AM
photohounds
12 August 2011
No actual rats I hope ...


http://conservativecolloquium.wordpress.com/2008/03/21/a-beer-story-tax-cuts-for-the-wealthy/

A pretty good dissertation on the tax system if you'd like to read it, AM.
photohounds
13 August 2011
Seems most thing The Big A is playing bully, OR patents are BS as currently 'defined'. Yeh, just one poll ...

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9219027/QuickPoll_Is_there_a_conspiracy_to_take_down_Android_with_patent_lawsuits_?source=CTWNLE_nlt_pm_2011-08-12

Slatts
14 August 2011
Peter, the idea behind the monitor being plugged into the pc was to allow it to be powered down by a relay in the pc when it was shut down.

The power wasn't regulated by the power supply.

Photohounds, if you feel the need to send unrelated links, there's the PM system or start a new thread in the appropriate forum please.

photohounds
14 August 2011
OK Slatts, I'll check it out ...
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