Phone warranties: the "water damage" excuse

Phone warranties: the "water damage" excuse

Mobile phone warranty claims are being denied because of "water damage". Fair? It doesn't seem so to us

Anne from Queensland contacted us recently after being told that her Nokia N97 has water damage. It’s less than one year old so she’s not happy. We've heard from many readers who have similar stories about mobile phone warranty claims being denied because of "water damage".

On the one hand, manufacturers are entitled to set their own warranty terms, but, on the other hand, they must abide by consumer law when it comes to devices being ‘fit for purpose’. In this case, it looks like consumers are being denied their warranty provisions if the phone malfunctions through normal use, and it’s to be expected that this would include moisture from hands or face reaching the phone through a normal amount of talking or texting. 

The question is who’s going to look at this issue for both consumer and manufacturer to determine what the law should cover? It won’t be properly answered until Fair Trading and/or the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) has enough complaints to take action. If you’re in this situation, lodge a complaint. Ring the ACCC Infocentre on 1300 302 502 or register a complaint with the Office of Fair Trading in your state or territory via its website or over the phone.

In the mean time, we put some questions to the ACCC about the issue of water damage. The responses are below.

Can a phone manufacturer exclude certain things, such as water damage, from a warranty?

Manufacturers are able to set their own warranty terms; however, these terms cannot exclude or limit rights under the consumer guarantees which are part of the Australian Consumer Law. These terms must also not mislead consumers about their rights under the consumer guarantees. The consumer guarantees are a set of rights that consumers receive automatically when they purchase, lease or hire a good, or buy a service. For example, goods must be of acceptable quality, fit for any disclosed purpose and match any description given, sample or demonstration model shown to the consumer prior to purchase.

Does a retailer/manufacturer have to advertise, in advance of someone signing a contract or buying a handset, that it excludes water damage?

Retailers and manufacturers must not mislead or deceive consumers about any terms and conditions in their contracts or surrounding the sale of goods. Retailers and manufacturers should make their contract terms clear to minimise the risk misleading consumers.

Should such a condition need to be independently verified as causing a phone malfunction?

The Australian Consumer Law does not require that faults be tested in a certain way or that independent testing must be carried out. However, businesses are likely to test the product to identify how serious the problem is and what caused the problem. Consumers are also entitled to independently test the product to identify the likely cause of the problem.

It is important to remember that the consumer guarantees are not limitless, if a consumer causes damage to a good, misuses it or doesn't explain what they wanted prior to purchase, they may not be entitled to a remedy under the consumer guarantees.

Does water damage through normal use render a mobile phone not fit for purpose under the new consumer laws?

The consumer guarantees apply broadly to all goods and services across all industries. As such, the ACCC cannot provide definitive advice on when a good will or will not be fit for its purpose. Whether a business has met their obligations under the consumer guarantees will depend on the specific fact circumstances of each case, including how the good was used.

Will the ACCC look into the issue and take action to stop manufacturers/retailers from imposing their own conditions on warranties?

Manufactures and retailer are able to impose their own conditions on warranties provided they don't exclude or limit rights which are provided by the law and don't mislead consumers about their rights under the ACL or about the warranty itself. 

The ACCC has taken action in the past about misleading warranty terms and conditions, and also in relation to warranties for mobile phone handsets that are attached to 24-month contracts are provided with handset warranties for the duration of the contract. 

The ACCC is [to] closely monitor business implementation of the Australian Consumer Law (ACL) and will take enforcement action where necessary to protect consumers and to ensure that the level playing field the ACL established for businesses nationally is maintained.

What can a consumer do if they believe that water damage from normal use should be covered by warranty and its being refused from a manufacturer/retailer?

If a consumer feels that a guarantee has not been met, they should contact the retailer or manufacturer to discuss the problem and an appropriate remedy. It is a good idea to formally put the concerns in writing. Consumers can also contact the ACCC or their local consumer protection agency to make a complaint or seek further guidance. The ACCC Infocentre can be contacted on 1300 302 502.

The course of action consumers can take is set out in the ACCC's guidelines on consumer guarantees, including an example letter of complaint. The consumer guarantees guide can be accessed here.

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Comments: 16
timatah
24 March 2011
I worked a phone company in repairs for 2 years.
Liquid damaged usually means one or more components internally had signs of corrosion. What this means to the device, is that certain things may malfunction relating to the corroded component.
We were unable to work on the handset due to water damage. The reason for this is we couldn't warranty our work, or that the handset would continue to function.
Mobile phones and electrical devices should be kept liquid free.


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Phone warranties: the "water damage" excuse?
Mobile phone warranty claims are being denied because of "water damage". Fair? It doesn't seem so to us

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cootified
24 March 2011
Well said timatah.

Electronic devices are not designed to work under water, regardless what device, which country it came from and what manufacturer sells them.

This argument really is, will manufacturers ever provide warranties for improper use?
I doubt it.

tearalong
24 March 2011
In north Qld it's not a case of improper use, it's just a matter of high humidity. Apple have finally recognised this and will accept that the indicator inside an iphone can change colour from normal use.
Manufacturers should not sell their products in the tropics are they are unsuitable for use there.
shamaka
24 March 2011
I've bought a new mobile and within 1 month went to a service centre, as it wasn't working. I was told it had clear evidence of having been subject to water for a long time. I said I had the phone (a Nokia) for 1 month as indicated on the receipt, but the technician said "stiff", its not their problem and that it happened "frequently". They suggested it was my perspiration!!! Never bought a Nokia again and never will. Perhaps the damage happened during shipping, but it wasn't my fault and I considered it to be their incompetence if they can't supply the item in a manner that stops this type of damage.
Slatts
24 March 2011
Well I've said it before here but here goes.

If your phone can't handle high humidity, being in your pocket when you're caught in a storm or carks it when sitting in your pocket because you're sweating like a stuck pig in the pursuit of your daily occupation, it isn't of merchantable quality.

If you phone manufacturer tries to screw you, go here.

Edit: See, that's what happens when you post based on the headline without reading the article.

Rosalyn pretty much covered the whole ACCC and merchantable quality thing.:oops:



Edited by Slatts: 24/3/2011 08:12:39 PM
petergaskin
24 March 2011
Well said Slatts. the transfer of consumer laws to the federal arena has probably made it a lot easier to assert phone is not of merchantable quality.
Currently, most businesses have buried their heads in the sand. Still hear salesman trying to sell extended warranties, They jsut dont understand the difference between manufacturers warranty and statutory warranty.

Edited by petergaskin: 24/3/2011 08:05:10 PM
timatah
24 March 2011
In my experience, ear sweat was a huge problem with people talking for extended periods. There was also the bathroom/Shower (condensation) problems with phones.

The sad thing is, there are many people who genuinely have a fault with their phone, which may not have been caused by them. But there are 1000's of people who have broken their handsets, and blatantly lied about the cause of the fault. So because of these people what can they do?

Working from the other side (manufacturers side) the amount of handsets which had been dropped in the toilet was ridiculous. Spilt drinks were a huge problem and there were other "gross" ways handsets became liquid damaged.

I have seen smashed lcd's, with an impact point, but the customer swore there was no chance anything hit the phone, they just woke up one morning and it was smashed.
I guess the questions are
"Should manufacturers warranty devices which have had physical or liquid damage?
"How can you prove that the handset was physical or Liquid damaged before the problem arose"

My advice is to have insurance on you mobile phones and keep it as dry and humanly possible!
Anne-From-Qld
27 March 2011
Hi, I am “Anne from Queensland” in the article above - I’m wondering where all leaves me? It is all fine and well to say that they can't tell the difference between humidity, sweat, breath and dropping it in a vat of water, but surely it needs to be resistant to reasonable amounts of “moisture”. To be told (by both Nokia and Crazy Johns) that sweat, breath and humidity are reasonable reasons for my phone to no longer work is Unreasonable.

In my case I know my phone was not misused or mistreated in any way, so improper use does not apply. It died after a week of high humidity in Brisbane. How is it possible to “keep it dry” during that time? I have a household full of electrical equipment that is over 1 year old and has survived more than one year of humidity, but my mobile phone can’t? Given the intended, reasonable use of the item, shouldn’t it be built to withstand more than computers, televisions and vacuum cleaners?

I am currently waiting for Nokia to provide an “independent audit” of the phone.
Slatts
27 March 2011

Have you tried talking to the ACCC Anne?

Anne-From-Qld
27 March 2011
Not yet Slatts, but that is my next point of call. I believe I have to finalise the investigation with Nokia before I can lodge a complaint with them. But all that I read (in the article above and on the ACCC) is so vague and seems to put the onus on me to prove that I didn’t drop it in water or spill a drink on it – impossible to do if (as Nokia told me on the phone) “exposure to any liquid”, including “extreme weather conditions” and “general use” could cause this problem.
Nokia won't put anything in writing, but they said on the phone that "no-one can tell whether it is caused by humidity or moisture". When asked, they would not define the difference.
I just can’t believe that this is an acceptable way to treat your customers.
Slatts
27 March 2011

Can't hurt to go over to the ACCC site and have a look Anne.

Good luck, let us know how it works out.

j876
27 March 2011
Most mobile phones and electronic devices aren't advertised as water resistant or waterproof and in their specifications state the humidity and temperature ratings.

Unless a phone manufacturer advertises that the device has ingress protection I am sorry to say that its buyer beware. If you want a water resistant phone, there are models that can take more abuse like tradies phones.
Anne-From-Qld
31 March 2011
As an update, after losing my phone for nearly 3 weeks, Nokia/Crazy Johns have found it again. The "independent review" did not add anything - it only points out that liquid has gotten into the phone. We already knew that, but no comment is being made as to potential or likely sources of the liquid, which is more to the point. I have been told by a service repair desk (not related to Nokia products) that corrosion after immersion is more likely to be extensive across the phone, where humidity damage often starts in a small localised spot and then spreads (as mine has now done). I have now lodged complaints with both the TIO and the ACCC. The ACCC are unable to take action, but are interested in keeping the statistics, so worth lodging any complaints with them. The TIO can help me because it is on a 24 month plan - they are basically arbitrating between Crazy Johns and myself to find a happy resolution. No-one seems to be interested in addressing the issue itself - which is that products are being sold that are not “fit for purpose”. Hopefully the ACCC will eventually have enough data for someone to take some action. In reading up about IP numbers, which rate expected ability to cope with dust and liquid ingress, I am now wondering if this should be a standard rating given to all mobile phones. That would provide enough information to choose a phone for the conditions. If as buyers we are not given that information, how can we possibly assess prior to purchase?
Anne-From-Qld
2 April 2011
As a final update, Crazy Johns responded quickly to the TIO notification of the complaint. They have offered a handset from their “resolution stock” ("not brand new, however are still covered by manufacturer warranty"). I will be happy to have this behind me with a working phone for the remainder of the contract, but the question of Nokia (and other manufacturers) providing products not able to cope with natural weather conditions in their place of purchase is still there…..
Slatts
3 April 2011

I'm glad to hear you've had a resolution of sorts Anne and agree that the things should be of a quality that suits the environment in which they're used.

youglobal
9 June 2011
Anne-From-Qld wrote:
As a final update, Crazy Johns responded quickly to the TIO notification of the complaint. They have offered a handset from their “resolution stock” ("not brand new, however are still covered by manufacturer warranty"). I will be happy to have this behind me with a working phone for the remainder of the contract, but the question of Nokia (and other manufacturers) providing products not able to cope with natural weather conditions in their place of purchase is still there…..


Anne, I read your thread with interest. See:

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1712904

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Liquid-ingress/231277686889768?sk=wall

Would like to have a chat if you're willing. Not sure how I leave personal contact details though.
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