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Fry
31 August 2010
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Should it really be up to Microsoft or Apple to chase third party vendors for drivers? There are so many hardware vendors with so many product lines out there and I can’t begin to imagine how many different drivers. I agree it is annoying to have to find drivers for your specific device(s); but having to go through each and every one of them and creating an up-to-date repository on a daily or weekly basis sounds like a nightmare. And while forcing vendors to inform Microsoft/Apple when they create new drivers seems like a good idea how would it work in practice? What are they going to do if the vendors don’t comply? If anything it’s the Vendors that should proactively ensure they ship their product with the right drivers or register them on the windows/apple supported driver list if they want to provide a better customer experience. I think win7 has done a fantastic job in terms of drivers. I've been using it since beta and the only drivers I have had to find myself was for an AudioFX headset and a TPLink wireless card (this too has since been added to windows update). Granted I have only built 4 or 5 PC's since the release of win7 and maybe I was just lucky but I have to say it’s a welcomed change to the likes of Vista and XP where ever single driver had to be obtained manually.
Comment made about the PC Authority article: Opinion: Sick and tired of Windows? After 20 years of driver problems, unreliable updates and a frustrating interface, Jon Honeyball finally runs out of patience with Microsoft
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mobius
31 August 2010
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The Title of the article is a bit harsh it should read "sick and tired of 3rd party vendors".
But I see your gripe here, there is a gap between MS/Apple and vendors supporting their products. The current situation is that vendors; often to users annoyances, are packaging in all this rubbish additional software. For example HP printer drivers = 500mg! it comes with a driver update utility, crappy photo viewer and all kinds of mediocre software that really just bogs down the PC.
But this is probably what will continue on, you can't have MS/Apple with too much control over 3rd party software as it might be deemed unfair or uncompetitive.
In all fairness Win 7 and OS 10.6 doing a decent enough job of keeping drivers updated. |
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j876
31 August 2010
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Driver Updates are a pain in the neck but due to intellectual property issues, it is ultimately the responsibility of the hardware manufacturers to provide drivers that work with Windows and Apple operating systems because they have intimate knowledge of their own device which Microsoft and Apple don't have.
Microsoft has Windows Hardware Quality Lab certification testing and Apple has its own certification processes. Unfortunately, there are some hardware manufacturers who don’t submit their drivers for certification leaving users to suffer with devices that are expensive paperweights. |
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petergaskin
31 August 2010
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When I bought a hp mfp to attach to a windows 7 machine, the first thing I asked was whether the printer was compliant with windows 7. I was told - of course it does! Imagine my surprise when I found that the supplied cd did not contain the correct drivers for windows 7. A quick trip to the hp website - and I found the win 7 drivers and easily downloaded and got the printer working. So blame the manufacturers and retailers - with old stock with outdated cd drivers! |
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firewuff
31 August 2010
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I think that the biggest part of the equation that people forget is it COSTS to get drivers signed and approved by the likes of Microsoft and Apple. Alot of companies who release lots of driver updates dont' want to bear that cost and development time. Additionally the more products supported by the OS the longer it takes to check and sign them all.
Direct support from vendors will always continue to be the best way. That said I can't see why that vendors shouldn't be able to register an "update server" with microsoft for specific hardware id's. That way the driver is comming from the vendors not microsoft or apple and the update program becomes an aggregation service rather than a direct delivery service. Firefox already does this for plugin updates as does Android store among others. |
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Nato
31 August 2010
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Your so god dam lazy, thats my two cents, your sitting one your butt infront of a screen, click a couple of vendor websites to check for updates if u have problems, or google the problem and have a quick read, then download and install what you need to achieve your goal, all done in a single evening, big deal! and then leave the thing alone. Then back to the couch cause you might need a rest after all that hard work lol. |
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rex.withers
31 August 2010
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I'm sick and tired of Jon Honeyball whining about Microsoft for years and years. I wish he would go over to Apple, Linix or anything else really and not come back. |
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malai5
31 August 2010
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I have been cross platform user, Windows and Linux for may years and find Windows to be a breeze as far as getting drivers for "odd" hardware. Linux, on the other hand can be a challenge, but rewarding as well. To carp on ( yes that was "carp") about the so called trials of drivers and Windows just tells more about the complainer than that complained about. Seriously, if maintaining a computer is that much of a trial, get an abacus and a fresh clay tablet and let the rest of us enjoy the marvel of modern tech. |
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Madaz
31 August 2010
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got whinge much?
as a PC gamer i don't have to much troubles finding a few drivers to keep hardware updated
I bet your the sort that cries to the government that there are to many Mc Donald adverts and Hungry Jacks ads when little Johnny is watching TV cant you please stop it so Johnny doesn't get fat |
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dazmiq
31 August 2010
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This all very well for users who know what a driver is. Pity the poor people who just want to turn their computers on and use their printer or wifi and have no idea what a driver is. I dare say there are millions. These are the people that Microsoft are losing to Apple. And can you please tell me the web location for the intel wifi driver stack, coz I need it? Thanks .. |
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Polski
1 September 2010
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Opinion: Sick and tired of Windows Cry-babies ... Seems like an article trying to take a stab at Microsoft because the writer cant do a simple thing. Isn't it a bit hypocritical calling vendors lazy ?? I like how you compare firefox add-ons to windows 7 drivers like they are anywhere near the same scale. |
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PeteC
1 September 2010
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This is one of the worst articles I have seen in a professional IT newspaper/media. Sorry.
I have/had Lenovo and HP laptops in work and both of them have a very easy driver update software, which you can run once in a month and it will update everything. Plus at home I have a custom built PC and I don't mind sitting few hours once a month in front of it and going through my saved bookmarks of driver update pages of each components.
If you are not able to do that, there are so many driver update software on the net, which can do it for you, some are free, some are not.
You should change your job, because you don't give too much value for the public in my opinion. Let me write better articles for PC Authority! :) (just kidding, I have a better job) |
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gnome
1 September 2010
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@PeteC, lucky you. We canned HP/Compaq notebooks because the auto update didn't work properly and started to screw up the driver update interface. And not everybody wants to, or can, spend "a few hours each month" on driver updates.
Also, it may be a bit harsh to talk about "one of the worst articles" when it is dealing with some of the issues that continue to bug users after nearly 20 years of Windows. MS has been the subject of a million jokes about this, but seriously, isn't it about time they got it right?
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Eromanga
1 September 2010
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I have to agree with dazmiq not all of us are IT nerds and know what a driver is or what it does. I do but I don't feel superior over those that don't. Comments by some on this issue would indicate that these people thnk that if you own a car you should be able to fix all the problems it has. Rubbish. |
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PeteC
1 September 2010
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@gnome Sorry if I hurt you with my comment. You have been called "lazy", "cry-baby" "whinger", plus someone called your article's title harsh and then you say my comment was a bit harsh?
That's my opinion, sorry, I am not against the topic, but the way how its written, basically whinging from start to finish.
Are MS and Apple really the culprits when it is about driver update? Maybe they are guilty to a certain level, but when there are hundred thousands (if not millions) of 3rd party manufacturers out there its a bit hard to take control. On the other hand if there are some good 3rd party driver update software on the net, which can do the job automatically, then the question is why MS and Apple don't build in something similar in their OS? Maybe too much cost for too less value?
About HP: you'are right auto update is dodgy. But I was talking about their Softpaq Download Manager, which you need to run manually once per month (few minutes) and it will do the rest automatically plus it will give you the option to choose which update do you want to install. I found it quite easy to live with.
Anyway my "few hours" comment was a bit too much, if you are doing it periodically, you can update your drivers in less than half any hour each month. If you cannot or don't want to spend that time, then: a) don't buy a computer, b) call an IT guy to do it for you, c) just use it and live with the consequences. At the end if you buy a car you have similar issues: you have to check it periodically or you can just drive it and one day it will break down. Is it the fault of the car manufacturer or yours then? |
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rubaiyat
1 September 2010
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Very reluctant to let anything from HP run automatically.
I ticked an option in their All-In-One software to "Allow surveys" only to find it was spying on my ink usage. Worse still it had an appalling memory leak and if left to run long enough would consume all my RAM and VM eventually bringing the computer to a slow grinding halt. |
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Madaz
1 September 2010
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i would say 95% of the time most user's shouldn't need to update drivers period
when i build a computer for someone @ handover the computer works flawless with as many of the MS updates and SP's as possible
therefore once its handed over nothing really needs to be updated |
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johnpall
3 September 2010
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@Madaz As a PC Gamer you are probably the type who loves violent games and would love to go and help kill innocent people over in the middle east for fun? |
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johnpall
3 September 2010
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@Madaz Correction that was meant to read: Play a Game where you kill innocent people over in the middle east for fun? |
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
3 September 2010
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Wut. |
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Slatts
3 September 2010
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johnpall wrote:@Madaz Correction that was meant to read: Play a Game where you kill innocent people over in the middle east for fun?
They're pixels.
They re-spawn.
If you don't kill them they just over populate the CPU till they use up all the available resources then they just die anyway..
Madaz is doing them a favour. And they don't have to come from Asia. Are you some sort of racist?
Oh, and get a life.
God protect us from the friends of sprites league. (FOSL as in old ...) |
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Madaz
3 September 2010
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johnpall wrote:@Madaz Correction that was meant to read: Play a Game where you kill innocent people over in the middle east for fun?
is anyone really innocent, i know the courts say your innocent till proven guilty
and just because one plays css doesn't mean that want to go kill terrorist's
EDIT
wow what pixels were called after sprite's
Edited by Madaz: 3/9/2010 10:37:23 PM |
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petergaskin
3 September 2010
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The easy way to ensure your drivers are upddate is to use software - just run it and it will identify which drivers are out of date and what the options are. It does work. The software that I have used even came for free - from a computer magazine dvd! |
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Madaz
3 September 2010
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and its called .... |
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petergaskin
4 September 2010
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its called driver easy. unfortunately - im not sure which magazine or even which issue included the software.. |
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gnome
4 September 2010
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@PeteC: "Gnome... Sorry if I hurt you with my comment. You have been called "lazy", "cry-baby" "whinger", plus someone called your article's title harsh and then you say my comment was a bit harsh?"
Pete, you seem to be a little confused. I'm gnome, not Jon Honeyball, the author of the article. So you didn't hurt my feelings at all after I said that I thought your comments were somewhat harsh. And without being lazy, crybaby or whinger, I still do. ;-)
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Drewfus
12 February 2011
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Jon, i agree entirely. The entire driver updating process should be greatly streamlined, and more automated. The idea that people have to go hunting around manufactures websites for drivers and other updates in 2011 is ludicrous. Web search is the culprit here. It is just too easy for Microsoft, OEMs and technical people to say "go do a web search for new drivers". Web searches are fine for textual or graphical material, but not for something specific like the current driver download for device x.y. My 'solution' is a command line utility that acts a proxy between the user and a Microsoft managed database of Windows Update, reference and OEM drivers. See here for more details: http://forum.sysinternals.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=23137&KW=&PID=125943&title=extended-ver-command#125943
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