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Nato
Jan 22, 2009 8:15 PM
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People are natural problem solvers, good or bad, if you put a problem if front of them they will try and solve it. My mind cannot fathom how much data is going through the internet at any one point, what machine could possibly filter that much data without slowing it to a crawl. I have spent nothing and understand that much. How much will they waste?
Comment made about the PC Authority article:
Opinion: Why national Internet filters are pointless ?
It seems that the world plus dog is falling over itself to filter the World Wide Wibble in a desperate bid to protect children from things they can handle on their own.
What do you think? Join the discussion. |
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malai5
Jan 22, 2009 8:21 PM
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Yeah, "filters" are a bit like flyscreens. They keep out the flys, but also about 5to10 percent of the light and air flow as well.
There is always a downside when something is "filtered".
In the case of the net "filter", it's more like "Throwing the Baby out with the Bathwater".
Cheers
Malai5 |
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Snakey
Jan 26, 2009 2:39 PM
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Any type of internet filtering is only to impress the honest. Like DRM, anti piracy and the like are basically no issue with John & Jane Doe, it is the issue of those who wish to control someone or something. To protect us is not the issue, protection is the conduit the controlers use to feed from. People have always throughout history been leeched from right up to the point where they had enough and took it back at great cost but they always did it.
Anyone who has a yen and or need for anything will find a way as mentioned by {Nato Jan 22 2009 PC Auth}to obtain their need or slip out from under the screw.
Comment made about the PC Authority article:
Opinion: Why national Internet filters are pointless ?
It seems that the world plus dog is falling over itself to filter the World Wide Wibble in a desperate bid to protect children from things they can handle on their own.
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mordie
Jan 27, 2009 8:56 AM
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Thing is it's clearly not just about the children,.... This Filter effects adults and we will have no control over what we can and can not see ...1984 anyone?!? Watch as more and more legal / political sites get blocked - I'll be very very surprised if this is REAL about protecting Children. Someone already has managed to get an anti=abortion site listed on the ACMA blacklist.. Apparently it didn't take much! |
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maxthegold
Jan 27, 2009 11:02 AM
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The Australian government has just dumped the previous incumbents free filter software scheme claiming only 26,000 have taken up the offer. Surely this means Australia has voted with its feet and has decided it does not want censorship, no matter how they try to spin it. |
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mordie
Jan 27, 2009 12:06 PM
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maxthegold wrote:The Australian government has just dumped the previous incumbents free filter software scheme claiming only 26,000 have taken up the offer. Surely this means Australia has voted with its feet and has decided it does not want censorship, no matter how they try to spin it.
Ah, but the minister has twisted this to mean we need one because there was not enough uptake and we need an easier system as the people wanting to use the filter at home may have found it had to install ... (He has basically already said this) ...
Fun how they dump it BEFORE the Trial even begins!!! |
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PaytonLiu
Jan 27, 2009 4:20 PM
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It's very sad and frustrating to hear that Australian gov want to use such "filter". I came alongside from China to avoid the so-called "Great Firewall"(officially, "Golden Shield System"), but end up like this??...
As one lived in China for many years, and as a computer specialist, the filters will not block any websites but just wasting money. I used a free proxy software which cost me nothing and allow me to visit any sites that the CPC has taken down(e.g. BBC, CNN, VOA, etc.).
Aussie voters, you shall never allow gov to set up censorships. It only means absolute power and control... |
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malai5
Jan 29, 2009 10:17 PM
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PaytonLiu, I think you have some wrong ideas about "freedoms" in Australia.
I realise that China is a country where there is a non democratic government, but do you realise that Australia ranks (according to Reporters sans Frontiers http://www.rsf.org/rubrique.php3?id_rubrique=639) 35th on the press freedom scale with Nations that you would think would be repressing the freedom of the press like Bolivia (17th)way ahead of us.
The USA, home of the "free", rates worse than Australia at 57th.
So, if you think Net Filters are something that the Australian Government just wouldn't do to it's people, think again.
Things are pretty rosy in Aus, but not as rosy as they could be.
The latest bid for control of the internet freedoms of Australians, under the guise of "protecting the children" is just another reason Aus won't get any rosier.
Cheers
Malai5 |
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Slatts
Jan 29, 2009 10:50 PM
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Governments exist to govern.
Something that is inherently ungovernable scares the shirt out of them.
Here is an interview on the topic from "Life Matters" on the ABCs' Radio National. |
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malai5
Jan 29, 2009 11:28 PM
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Thanks for that link, Slatts.
What else could one expect from the Christians.
They love to control the lives of their followers and anyone else if they get the chance.
Just who gave them the right to think they have the answers to the "ills" of the world. The fact is, by their repressive "BELIEFS", it is they, among other "BELIEF" systems that have been singularly responsible for MOST of the ills of our society and others.
Have they stopped WAR???
Have they stopped HUNGER???
Have they stopped MANS INHUMANITY TO MAN???
NO, they have just sat back on their collective judgmental arses and pulled out the same tired old cliche, THOU SHALT NOT......
What a bunch of hypocrites.](*,)
Cheers
Malai5 |
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Slatts
Jan 29, 2009 11:46 PM
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Yer most welcome mal.
We godless heathen anarchists must do what we can to scupper the machinations of The Lords Chosen Ones and those winners of popularity contests who profess to run the country. |
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
Jan 30, 2009 12:33 AM
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It's unfair to place a stereotype over Christians in general. We're not all like that. |
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mordie
Jan 30, 2009 8:21 AM
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It's hard not to stereotype when you have people like Jim Wallace representing you and given mis-information and utter outright lies in a National Radio debate..
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/lifematters/stories/2009/2476371.htm <--Radio nation debate on the filter Mark newton v Jim Wallace.
Jim is the spokesperson for the Australian Christian Lobby ...
The guy doesn't have a clue about what his talking about. He used stats from a survey from 2002 (which the Host questioned him on), the line about ISPs telling people that the filter will slow down the net just to get names on a petition was just outrageous and the Fridge comment at the end ..Really shows his clueless POV.
If you put a censorship box in every ISP (some are gateways) to will check all net traffic for unwatned and ACMA Blacklisted material what do you think will happen? Bottleneck! It'd be like the monash freeway in peak hour!
*sigh*
I don't care what believe believe in but I don't want others shoving their beliefs down my throat!
And the Debate proves the lobby is in cohorts with the minister ...actually it should the lack of technical knowledge from both the minister and the ACL!
Disclaimer: I am from a religious background but I'm not going to shove my beliefs on anyone...
Edit beaten with the Radio National reference :P sorry
edit 2: And why do these nut jobs keep saying all P2P is illegal... *sigh* gawd I wish they research before the go out and open their mouths on topics they clearly do NOT understand ..
Edited by mordie: 30/1/2009 08:23:06 AM
Edited by mordie: 30/1/2009 08:26:16 AM |
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malai5
Jan 30, 2009 9:04 AM
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:. wrote:It's unfair to place a stereotype over Christians in general. We're not all like that.
I know that Cyb, but when Christians allow these nutjobs to represent them, then people will only concur that they represent the views of ALL Christians. Afterall, the group calls themselves The CHISTIAN Lobby Group, not the Lobby Group for certain vested interests that in no way represents all Christians.
But then the truth is not really an issue when there are agendas to achieve.
Cheers
Malai5 |
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
Jan 30, 2009 9:51 AM
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malai5 wrote:.:Cyb3rGlitch:. wrote:It's unfair to place a stereotype over Christians in general. We're not all like that. I know that Cyb, but when Christians allow these nutjobs to represent them, then people will only concur that they represent the views of ALL Christians. Afterall, the group calls themselves The CHISTIAN Lobby Group, not the Lobby Group for certain vested interests that in no way represents all Christians. But then the truth is not really an issue when there are agendas to achieve. Cheers Malai5
Heh, I don't remember letting anyone represent me! It's a load of crap system, which is why I represent myself, and myself only. Unfortunately the Church and their minions have turned the system into a recruiting service of pure stupidity, and no doubt money is the driving force. :(
If you look at it the other way, you could say that Conroy represents Australia. And we know damn well he doesn't. |
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mordie
Jan 30, 2009 10:26 AM
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I've noticed the minister hasn't pop his head up since the trial got postponed ...is here trying to lay low? |
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Slatts
Jan 30, 2009 8:16 PM
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:. wrote:It's unfair to place a stereotype over Christians in general. We're not all like that.
I to wasn't pointing a finger at Christians in general Cyb.
I was talking about "Gods Chosen Ones".
You know? The types who think that they have a direct line to their deity and that therefore anyone who disagrees with them is a heretic who deserves to burn in hell.
By the way, this is a link to senator Conroys' contact details if anyone feels the need to contact his office.
Edited by Slatts: 30/1/2009 08:58:11 PM |
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Nat.W¿LL¿
Jan 30, 2009 8:58 PM
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:. wrote:It's unfair to place a stereotype over Christians in general. We're not all like that.
and dont sterotype P2P users either...
but the day that i cant google 'freedom' or 'equity' etc is the day that i will be dousing this country in petrol, lighting a match, and walking out. i dont think im far from it, seriously :twisted: |
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Slatts
Jan 30, 2009 9:01 PM
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Er...
Gee nat....:shock: 8-[ |