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Linux Foundation director takes on Solaris

Sep 26, 2008
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Unix vs Linux continues
FREE SOFTWARE upstart and Unix clone Linux is on track to see off the proprietary flavours of Unix, opined the Linux Foundation Executive Director Jim Zemlin in a feature article at Infoworld on Wednesday.

Zemlin leveled his predictions of inexorable decline and doom at Sun Solaris in particular.

"The future is Linux and Microsoft Windows," said Zemlin. "It is not Unix or Solaris."

That statement strikes us as odd, because Linux is an architectural descendant of Unix that runs software easily ported between the two environments, and both are far different from Microsoft's consumer oriented Windows operating systems. But his argument went further.

Zemlin has the attitude that Sun and Solaris should get out of the way of Linux takeup. He derided Solaris as a legacy operating system that's not gaining in customer deployments.

He also claimed that computer hardware manufacturers don't see much future for Solaris and that Sun represents an operating systems software vendor facing financial difficulty.

Zemlin pointed out that Linux leads in new deployments on x86-based systems, where the lower cost of commodity x86 hardware gives it an advantage versus lower volume big tin servers running proprietary Unix.

He said Sun's strength has been in commercial software applications such as Enterprise Resource Planning systems with seven to 20-year life cycles. "What's starting to happen is those life cycles are starting to be completed," he said, adding that those applications are being replaced on systems running Linux.

Zemlin also claimed that the industry trend toward web-based applications is accelerating Linux adoption among system developers, saying, "You can't really talk to any web-based application company these days that's not using Linux."

Linux is also less expensive for users to run than proprietary Unix, he noted, suggesting that Sun should simply move to Linux instead of continuing to develop and support Solaris. He also implicated the two other proprietary Unix brands, IBM's AIX and Hewlett-Packard's HP-UX. "It's certainly true that Unix is on the decline," he said.

He could have added that both IBM and HP have both been strong supporters of Linux for several years now, even though both companies continue to support their slowly-declining base of legacy Unix customers. That Sun hasn't joined them might be what exercises him.

Zemlin warmed to the topic of user migration from Unix to Linux. "Customers are pretty aware that Unix is a more expensive legacy architecture. They continue to support it because they don't want to change their legacy apps over to a new platform because of the [transition] costs."

Well... it's fairly easy to show quick recovery of transition costs from savings due to lower hardware, software, support and operating costs, though admittedly there are always up-front expenses and risks associated with such migrations. But lower ongoing costs rule.

Zemlin went on, "But they know now they eventually need to do it because Unix just doesn't have the combined might of all the different organisations and individuals that are developing Linux."

His implication, we think, is that even if Solaris is still somewhat more sophisticated than Linux in certain areas, Linux is developing so fast that it will surely catch and overtake it.

There's such weight behind Linux system development now, not just in the kernel itself but also at all levels, that it's hard to argue with this proposition. Proprietary Unix is doomed.

There's more discussion of Solaris Dtrace and Zettabyte File System (ZFS) and how those aren't really big advantages for Solaris, according to Zemlin, plus his wish that Sun would open source those technologies and make them available within Linux.

Naturally, Sun Microsystems doesn't view Solaris's future prospects inquite the same way.

The Linux Foundation and Sun will likely continue to disagree about the relative places of both Solaris and Linux, right up until Sun moves further towards open source and joins the Linux Foundation, which we believe is something that is likely to happen eventually.
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Comments: 6
totoaus
Sep 26, 2008 9:16 PM
Frankly, I think Sun will keep on with Solaris for some time, and it also is in the public domain as Open Solaris.
Those who think Sun will or should change direction to the path they themselves believe is correct are either forgetting something, or smoking funny cigarettes.
Sun is like Apple, FIERCLY independent and determined to go in a direction of their choosing. Also like Apple, Sun has been touted as heading toward failure, yet they continue to survive, thrive and show many of their peers how guts, ability and talent can defy the most condemning criticism.
Personally, when I read comments like those of the Linux Foundation above, I hope it's the foundation that fails, and falls victim to those they criticize. Comments like those of the Linux Foundation, to me, always sound as though they are rooted in fear of the company mentioned.


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Nat.W¿LL¿
Sep 26, 2008 9:26 PM
hobo joe will have somethin to say about this lol
Hobo_Joe
Sep 27, 2008 11:57 AM
I agree toto, alot of things mentioned in that article are Zemlins own opinion.
He obviously has no idea how Sun's faring at all.
He only knows and sees what the public see.

This line here:

Naturally, Sun Microsystems doesn't view Solaris's future prospects inquite the same way.

Perfectly sums it up for me.
Sun's completely independent.
Just like toto says, I can see from working at Sun that Sun isn't interested in conforming to mainstream trends. We make our own trends and pave our own future.

Very easy for Zemlin to criticise Sun for not doing what he feels is right. But in my opinion he's just scared!
malai5
Sep 27, 2008 12:47 PM
Isn't it amazing that the Linux Foundation should have a go at a company that supports the same philosophy that Linux is supposed to. By that I mean independant and open.
Gee, it doesn't take long for a little bit of power to go to some peoples heads, does it.

Sun has gone it's independant way and bit by bit has secured a swath of programs and applications that are of great use to ALL areas of computing, free and closed.
Their latest acquisition, VirtualBox, allows them to access the virtual computing world, both commercial and comsumer.
This relatively small company has made itself relavent BECAUSE of it's independant stance, not inspite of it. In some sense, Sun could actually represent a model that the Linux Foundation should emulate, not put down. (Do I see a little envy here, a little paucity of spirit on behalf of the Linux Foundation.)

Cheers

Malai5
Hobo_Joe
Sep 27, 2008 1:12 PM
It should also be noted that the majority of OpenSolaris is open source. Only certain Sun technologies are kept internal.
totoaus
Oct 3, 2008 10:35 PM
No Hobo_Joe, he only sees what he wants to see: I think that's what psychiatrists calls Delusional behavior, sadly I think in his profession it's called marketing. Either way, I remain HIGHLY SCEPTICAL. I just wonder how he'd reply to our comments.
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