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totoaus
8 August 2008
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Stuff like this has happened to me, but my complaints are treated differently. The response is one of:
1. Read your employment contract, you agreed to this
2. If you don't like it resign
3. Just knuckle down, stop complaining and do your job, or the one from outsiders
4. You should stick up for yourself, which ends disasterously for me.
Comment made about the PC Authority article:
Apple sued for indentured servitude?
Class action for overtime pay
What do you think? Join the discussion. |
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Slatts
9 August 2008
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This is an obvious beat up.
Apple is cool and good! |
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Jim.Dude
9 August 2008
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Pfft...that's what happens when the country lets itself be run by big corporations. If that guy was so unhappy, why didn't he just quit?? |
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krazikiwi
10 August 2008
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ooooh bugger, 40 hours is soooo long...
and jim.dude, if he just quit then he would just have to get a new job, which after 8 years would seem rather daunting. |
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Jim.Dude
10 August 2008
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krazikiwi wrote:ooooh bugger, 40 hours is soooo long...
and jim.dude, if he just quit then he would just have to get a new job, which after 8 years would seem rather daunting.
More or less daunting than filing a court injunction for all that 'pain and suffering'?
Seems a little odd. Hey, someone's hitting me in the head with a stick...should I move? Oh no, I'll just sit here and then complain about it later on. :-P
People need to start taking more responsibility for themselves and stop suing everyone for their own stupidity. |
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krazikiwi
10 August 2008
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you'd be surprised. i have a family, and i would rather spend a year sweating it out in a court house than risk not being able to put food on the table for them for even a week.
and i can imagine how he would feel in his next interview, "so why did you leave your last job?" "ummm, errr, i couldn't handle the hours???" |
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Jim.Dude
10 August 2008
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I see what you're saying, but using the responsibility of a family as an excuse is a tad facetious. That is, if someone isn't ready to put up with the pain and suffering of a regular job then they should have chose not to have a family.
Having said that, there was still nothing stopping this guy from applying for other jobs or at least looking for some other work while still employed and then jumping ship. Thus, he saves the kids from hunger and himself from pain...all it required was a little bit of effort and some responsibility.
Instead, he's trying to sue for a big payment...typical American. |
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krazikiwi
10 August 2008
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jim.dude, you have one hell of a point there.
i agree whole heartedly.
i think the point i was really stating was how 40 hours isn't so bad.
calving has just started and i'm working at least 10 hours a day, 6 days a week, obviously not today though, lol |
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Jim.Dude
10 August 2008
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I'm inclined to agree. People are starving and this jerk-off is complaining. They should give him a new job as an aid worker.. |
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krazikiwi
10 August 2008
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and he complains that he's "on call" too much. isn't that where you sit at home getting paid and occasionally answer a phone call? |
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Slatts
10 August 2008
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Jim.Dude wrote:I see what you're saying, but using the responsibility of a family as an excuse is a tad facetious. That is, if someone isn't ready to put up with the pain and suffering of a regular job then they should have chose not to have a family.
Families, even in the best planned lives have a way of happening.
How old are you Jim? If it's not a personal question?
But really though...
krazikiwi wrote:and he complains that he's "on call" too much. isn't that where you sit at home getting paid and occasionally answer a phone call?
I'm on call 1 week in three. When I'm on call I'm available 24 hours a day for 7 days straight. I also put in my normal 40 hours as well. |
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Jim.Dude
10 August 2008
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It's called a condom, costs about 5 bucks for a pack of 12... |
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krazikiwi
11 August 2008
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they break, are messy, ruin the experience for everyone, and no, i'm not catholic.
and sorry slatts. i thought it was more of a phone support type role, my mistake.
love the audio.
oh and jim.dude probably isn't much younger than me at a (very uneducated) guess... |
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Jim.Dude
11 August 2008
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krazikiwi wrote:they break, are messy, ruin the experience for everyone, and no, i'm not catholic.
and sorry slatts. i thought it was more of a phone support type role, my mistake.
love the audio.
oh and jim.dude probably isn't much younger than me at a (very uneducated) guess...
Sounds to me like pregnancy + children is a WHOLE lot messier... :shock:
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Slatts
11 August 2008
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Never know when it'll come in handy;) |
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Slatts
11 August 2008
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Jim.Dude wrote:Sounds to me like pregnancy + children is a WHOLE lot messier... :shock:
The 2 most important things in my life are my kids Jim.
You'll never never know if you never never go.
Only one thing sillier than virgins talking about sex. People without kids talking about parenthood;) |
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Jim.Dude
11 August 2008
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Slatts wrote:Jim.Dude wrote:Sounds to me like pregnancy + children is a WHOLE lot messier... :shock:
The 2 most important things in my life are my kids Jim. You'll never never know if you never never go. Only one thing sillier than virgins talking about sex. People without kids talking about parenthood;)
Oh please, no one's talking about parenthood...I just don't see how someone can 'accidentally' have sex and get pregnant. It's really not that hard when there are a myriad of contraceptives out there. Moreover, if you really don't wanna start a family, just don't go horizontally hurambaring all night! |
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Slatts
11 August 2008
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mix romantic music, a candle lit dinner, dancing and copious quantities of alcohol and anything might happen Jim lad\:d/ |
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Jim.Dude
11 August 2008
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Slatts wrote:mix romantic music, a candle lit dinner, dancing and copious quantities of alcohol and anything might happen Jim lad\:d/
Haha, no doubt old man, but it's still a choice... ;) |
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jdoe2
14 August 2008
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This is a response to the guy who said being "on call" is "sitting at home and getting the occassional phone call".
It depends, doesn't it? I've been "on call" at my current job for about 4 years. Originally, it wasn't too bad - I had to work some weekends and would get woken up at 2 or 3 in the morning about twice a week. It was manageable.
18 months ago, my work conditions changed drastically (through reorganizations). To give you an idea... last Friday, I put in my regular 9 to 5... went home, then worked from 8pm till 6.30 am. Went to bed. Worked again from 1pm till 8pm on Saturday. Got paged at 2.30 am. Worked for another two hours. Most of Sunday was quiet, Monday night I worked against from 10pm till 1.30 am. etc, etc.
This is typical. While I do get paid for that overtime, it's gotten to the point where more money really doesn't solve the problem. I recently had a child, I WOULD like to see the kid grow up.
I've complained numerous times to my management that the working conditions are unsustainable, while they make sympathetic noises, things don't change. So I will probably end up looking for a different job. All that being said; I simply want to point out that you should not underestimate what being "on call" really means. And if I had to go through all that and I wouldn't get paid, you can be damn sure I would sue.
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krazikiwi
14 August 2008
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jdoe2,
sorry.
i was terribly mistaken, as slatts had already pointed out to me, and was about to apologize to him to when my blatantly short attention span was distracted by jim.dude's next post.
anyway, sorry again, and good luck with your situation. |
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Jim.Dude
14 August 2008
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jdoe2 wrote:This is a response to the guy who said being "on call" is "sitting at home and getting the occassional phone call".
It depends, doesn't it? I've been "on call" at my current job for about 4 years. Originally, it wasn't too bad - I had to work some weekends and would get woken up at 2 or 3 in the morning about twice a week. It was manageable.
18 months ago, my work conditions changed drastically (through reorganizations). To give you an idea... last Friday, I put in my regular 9 to 5... went home, then worked from 8pm till 6.30 am. Went to bed. Worked again from 1pm till 8pm on Saturday. Got paged at 2.30 am. Worked for another two hours. Most of Sunday was quiet, Monday night I worked against from 10pm till 1.30 am. etc, etc.
This is typical. While I do get paid for that overtime, it's gotten to the point where more money really doesn't solve the problem. I recently had a child, I WOULD like to see the kid grow up.
I've complained numerous times to my management that the working conditions are unsustainable, while they make sympathetic noises, things don't change. So I will probably end up looking for a different job. All that being said; I simply want to point out that you should not underestimate what being "on call" really means. And if I had to go through all that and I wouldn't get paid, you can be damn sure I would sue.
How long would you keep that up though? The guy in the article went on like this for 13 years and never looked for another job? ... |
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Slatts
14 August 2008
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Jim.Dude wrote:
How long would you keep that up though? The guy in the article went on like this for 13 years and never looked for another job? ...
The callouts pay very well. |
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Jim.Dude
14 August 2008
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Well then his job can't be that bad... |
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bbjai
14 August 2008
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Different people like different things. I work in the Auditing industry and people leave our industry heaps quickly, turnover for most graduates happen around the 3-4 year mark. The main thing is working conditions. You could get a stock standard job as a financial accountant elsewhere and get paid decently and leave at 5-6 everyday. As an auditor I can't leave generally until 7. People would rather the lifestyle then the pay sometimes. There is no point earning alot of money if you can't spend it and for me its even worse if you can't spend it with the people you love.
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Jim.Dude
14 August 2008
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Meh, that's fine by me. My work never leaves me. People tell me stuff I wish WOULD leave me...sadly it doesn't. However, if it ever started to bother me, I wouldn't wait 13 years and then sue, I'd go find another job and take responsibility of myself. :-P |
