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linuxonmac
Apr 5, 2008 10:50 PM
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32 reasons for those who don't know better. I don't know about adds but I use both, PC and Mac and comparing them is just not fair - PC is soooo inferior. The only advantage PC has over Mac is number of programs available for it.
About G5 being inferior to Intel for years - how did you test it? And what about Cell chip from IBM? Intel will get there in 4-5 years. Maybe.
It would be interesting if author of this article try to spec PC similar to the biggest 24" iMac (including monitor). And by the way - how many monitors (any size) can compare in quality to iMac? Not many. I doubt he would be able to beat the price. Let's forget about look as that would be too much to ask from gray box manufacturers.
Oh yes I said I use PC as well - XP is fired up from time to time but Linux Mint is main resident on that machine. 3D desktop included and multiple workspaces of course - Windows will get there in next decade hopefully.
Comment made about the PC Authority article:
32 Reasons why PCs are Better than Macs?
Apple’s ads may be funny, but they’re woefully inaccurate. Here we reveal dozens of reasons why the PC outclasses the Mac.
What do you think? Join the discussion. |
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blockcentre
Apr 5, 2008 11:44 PM
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Sounds about right to me ;)
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
Apr 6, 2008 12:13 PM
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I agree 99%. That's why I stopped using Macs, they're a pain in the arse, and they (in my experience) crash much more than Vista (actually, Vista has never crashed on me, and I've had it for close to 2 years inc. betas).
I agree that Macs have their niche market, but I'd say they're unsuitable for most. I also find it hilarious that not even 10 points could be made to defend the Macs, the last one doesn't count, because it has nothing to do with the actual Mac as a computer.
I've used both platforms, and I find the PC to be better for ME. I don't deny that the Mac has it's uses for some people. |
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kevin_watters
May 19, 2008 1:48 PM
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LOL !!! Quote "12 - Microsoft’s on your team" endquote
Thats like saying you are affiliated with the Gambino crime family when the feds come knocking on your door...
PCs WERE better than Macs... until Vista came along :)
I've gone to Mac and will NEVER go back... they just WORK ! No viruses, no spyware... no BS from Microsoft. |
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totoaus
Jul 16, 2008 9:48 PM
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I have always said that my first computer would have to be a PC, but the second would be a Mac. This was always a career necessity, but I'd still love to have the guts to toss the PC and work solely with Macs.
My first job was in a Computerland store with both machines and many others. The best argument I saw for a Mac was a salesman with no prior computer expereince: he struggled to do anything on a PC, but give him an early Mac with MacWrite and he could turn out amazing documents.
Logic, rationality and reason can take you places, but the emotional responses that Macs cause are like your first love, and no attempt at reason can beat that level of passion.
Far more PC users love to hate their machines, Mac users LOVE their machines |
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Slatts
Jul 16, 2008 10:09 PM
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kevin_watters wrote:LOL !!! Quote "12 - Microsoft’s on your team" endquote
Thats like saying you are affiliated with the Gambino crime family when the feds come knocking on your door...
PCs WERE better than Macs... until Vista came along :)
I've gone to Mac and will NEVER go back... they just WORK ! No viruses, no spyware... no BS from Microsoft.
Over priced
no games..
Limited software
no interest
linuxonmac wrote:And what about Cell chip from IBM? Intel will get there in 4-5 years. Maybe.
If the Cell CPU is so great why did Apple go to Intel?
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vjay
Aug 15, 2008 7:32 PM
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The biggest turn off with Macs are the users who are members of the Apple cult brandishing the "Macs don't catch viruses" claims along with everything else they gloat about. Lets face it, when a majority of computer users are using a Windows base who do you think a virus/trojan writer is going to target?
Wait and see, the more people take up with a Mac... the more attractive a target they will be. It's just a matter of time and there are already instances of trojans being written for the Mac platform so that argument that a Mac is secure doesn't exactly ring true anymore. |
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OZSlayer
Aug 16, 2008 12:04 PM
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Macs are designed to appeal to the yuppies and girls (they usually drive a Smart car eg my bro the Mac fan) who are more concerned about how it looks and not how it performs. Mac can be fast but are very limited as to what software you can use and how they can be upgraded.
Intel purchased Apple, if they hadn't this conversation would be void as they would be bankrupt by now.
The print industry was really the only sector that show any interest in Mac's
Yes Mac owners are a breed apart from PC users and can never be told diff.
Yes I have used both but I prefer PC by a mile due to the huge array of features and software, Ok you can emulate windows on a Mac but that makes it slow, so why bother.
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Slatts
Aug 16, 2008 1:24 PM
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Ha Ha Apple tarts Ha Ha=p~ |
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bishopdante
Aug 18, 2008 8:13 PM
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OMFG what a load of noobed out riducule. Umm yeah there's valid points when comparing the platforms, but these are a joke.
The apple architecture switch from PPC to X86 was a commendable work of engineering! That's supposed to be impossible. Try running Vista on your XBox 360. Aaah. Big endian little endian. AltiVec or SSE? Oh they really aren't the same at all. Apple's platform switch is totally unprecedented. The type of move that kills platforms. But now apple's laptops are the best in the business. How on earth did they make that work?!
Actually, the apple environment has some quite fascinating plus points, and its approach is quite distinct from the windows environment. It's all about the core services, it's all about the cloud, and it's all about the iphone (jailbroken of course). OSX is NOTHING like the old classic OS. It's actually NeXT, which is totally different, and really cool if you are a developer. You can write python, ruby, whatever you want, and it'll run. mix 'em up in the project. UNIX.
Where it comes to Vista, it's all about DirectX10, O'C modding, the warez scene, lower costs, aggressive hardware development. But I have to say that Vista has not been so good to me. Not a work OS, still requires constant maintenance and hand holding, and that's as a media center.
My work machine is OSX running VMware for those windows apps. It's fine, really. I mean, I wouldn't run Maya in that, but it's plenty fast.
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bishopdante
Aug 18, 2008 8:20 PM
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broadband just works??! Who on earth uses a USB modem?
Are we talking 3rd party hardware drivers? I mean, I've seen windows being advertised as supported on the software box, but often in reality it's a bit different.
It's a moot point though, most hardware doesn't need drivers these days, and that's modems included.
Now there's one BIGGIE. Syncing phones, you can forget about having those apps for OSX. |
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timinator
Aug 23, 2008 10:55 PM
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I don't know why everyone hates Apple so much
12 months ago, I would have said 'long live the Windows PC- death to Mac OS X'. But since then, Apple have come a long way. With the release of Leopard (Mac OS X 10.5), Support for both Windows XP and Vista is now built in. All you need are the Leopard disks and a Windows licence key, and you can have Mac OS X and Windows running smoothly on Mac hardware. All these arguments about why Windows is better than Mac become null and void when you can have both Windows and OS X running natively on your Mac.
If someone asks me which OS I prefer- I still say Windows. But I also think that it is much better to have Windows running on the Mac than having Windows on a normal PC.
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Slatts
Aug 24, 2008 10:58 AM
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I think this says it all really
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-JdC04vBik[/youtube] |
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Jim.Dude
Aug 24, 2008 2:03 PM
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Slatts wrote:I think this says it all really
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-JdC04vBik[/youtube]
I'll play devil's advocate, since everyone seems to hate Apple... :p
Movie maker isn't exactly free. Sure, you can download it for free from Microsoft or through automatic update, but you have to validate your copy of XP at some stage, meaning you had to pay for windows anyway. Let's face it, they've probably bundled the costs in there...
Moreover, while it's true that movie maker does most things that iMovie does, iLife is more than just iMovie! You get iDvd, iPhoto, iWeb and Garageband...
iDVD and iPhoto aren't exactly revolutionary and in all fairness Apple's own iTunes can play DVD's and show photos...so it's a tough call on their value...although Media Player 11 can't play a DVD anyways, so it's really still APPLE > MS
The direct competitor of iWeb in MS would be FrontPage, which isn't free and has to be bought with Office also (ack, more costs)...and there is NO offering compared to Garangeband.
(For those of you who haven't used it, Garageband is an incredible program that allows you to choose from thousands of prerecorded instruments and beats and things to make and edit your own music.)
Movie maker is as good as iMovie, but MS has nothing 'free' on the rest and since iLife costs only $79, it really is a bargain...
And yes, I'm sure there's some dodgy knock-off open source thing that can do 85% of the things that iLife can for a fraction of the price...but, that means multiple installs, muptiple copes of things and just extra effort. For a sum of less than $100, I like the idea of it all coming on one CD.
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vjay
Aug 25, 2008 9:36 PM
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Jim.Dude wrote:I'll play devil's advocate, since everyone seems to hate Apple... :p
Movie maker isn't exactly free. Sure, you can download it for free from Microsoft or through automatic update, but you have to validate your copy of XP at some stage, meaning you had to pay for windows anyway. Let's face it, they've probably bundled the costs in there...
Moreover, while it's true that movie maker does most things that iMovie does, iLife is more than just iMovie! You get iDvd, iPhoto, iWeb and Garageband...
iDVD and iPhoto aren't exactly revolutionary and in all fairness Apple's own iTunes can play DVD's and show photos...so it's a tough call on their value...although Media Player 11 can't play a DVD anyways, so it's really still APPLE > MS
The direct competitor of iWeb in MS would be FrontPage, which isn't free and has to be bought with Office also (ack, more costs)...and there is NO offering compared to Garangeband.
(For those of you who haven't used it, Garageband is an incredible program that allows you to choose from thousands of prerecorded instruments and beats and things to make and edit your own music.)
Movie maker is as good as iMovie, but MS has nothing 'free' on the rest and since iLife costs only $79, it really is a bargain...
And yes, I'm sure there's some dodgy knock-off open source thing that can do 85% of the things that iLife can for a fraction of the price...but, that means multiple installs, muptiple copes of things and just extra effort. For a sum of less than $100, I like the idea of it all coming on one CD.
Edited by Jim.Dude: 24/8/2008 02:05:39 PM
I don't even know anyone who uses the movie maker thing in Windows to be honest. Or any of the other weird crap that comes bundled with systems. I didn't know DVD's didn't play in WMP 11? That's the first time I've ever heard about it since they work fine here. Then again I also run Quicktime, Real Player, divx/xvid and any other crummy video or music format through Windows Media Player 11 anyway because I really really have a dislike of having to install multiple players just in case I happen across content from them and this is done by installing the K-Lite codec pack.
The only other thing you mentioned useful in your collection of items to me at any rate was the iWeb application and if it's anything like FrontPage I'd also avoid it because I don't like FrontPage
I'm a Dreamweaver fan girl. :D |
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Jim.Dude
Aug 26, 2008 3:46 PM
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vjay wrote:
I don't even know anyone who uses the movie maker thing in Windows to be honest. Or any of the other weird crap that comes bundled with systems. I didn't know DVD's didn't play in WMP 11? That's the first time I've ever heard about it since they work fine here. Then again I also run Quicktime, Real Player, divx/xvid and any other crummy video or music format through Windows Media Player 11 anyway because I really really have a dislike of having to install multiple players just in case I happen across content from them and this is done by installing the K-Lite codec pack.
The only other thing you mentioned useful in your collection of items to me at any rate was the iWeb application and if it's anything like FrontPage I'd also avoid it because I don't like FrontPage
I'm a Dreamweaver fan girl. :D
I've used movie maker a couple of times for assignments, but I don't make movies so I've no idea of what the alterantives are. DVD's certainly don't play on my laptop through WMP 11. The K-lite pack thing sounds fun, but that's the whole point of iLife. It comes with QuickTime/iDVD and iTunes is always pre-installed in the O/S so you don't need to install additional stuff.
Can't say I've used iWeb myself (or dreamweaver), but I know iWeb works out to be like $25 or something, how much is dreamweaver? Lastly, if you haven't had a chance to play with GarageBand, you're really missing out...it's an awesome program and it's terrible that so few alternatives exist that offer the same bang for buck. |
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nambypamby
Aug 26, 2008 8:49 PM
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is it fair to compare apples and oranges? |
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Jim.Dude
Aug 27, 2008 7:12 PM
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nambypamby wrote:is it fair to compare apples and oranges?
Huh? |
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genesishep
Oct 24, 2008 3:01 AM
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Ok, I just stopped writing this reply when I realized this article was from 2007. I think the world has seen and learned much this is article is not accurate by now. I guess you can disregard my statements below.
Wow...ok...this article is inaccurate in so many ways. Both platforms have their pluses, why not point out the right ones and leave the lies and FUD out of it.
#1. Apple does not charge for version updates either. release service packs. They do charge when they release complete new OS versions. This confuses your typical PC users because Apple has kept the OS X version numbers. For Marketing and "coolness" factors Apple is trying to stay with the "10" numbering scheme as long as possible. 10.1-10.5 are COMPLETELY different operating systems not just service packs. Comparing 10.1 to 10.5 is like comparing Win2k to Vista.
#3. Thankfully on a Mac you can run everything. Don't have the program available on the Mac platform? OK, install Windows or Linux and simply boot whatever your heart desires. In my book that gives the Mac more potential software titles than any PC out there.
#4. Come on guys, this is no longer an issue. Every Mac has shipped with a Mighty Mouse since 2005. I realize that it may "LOOK" like a 1 button mouse but its actually a 4 button mouse. It simply has a solid cover. I would expect a staff writer from a well known computer site to have at least this sort of basic knowledge. This is rather shocking to me and honestly makes the author come across as inept.
#8. This is just silly, almost every tech gadget you buy is yesterdays technology before you get it home. New stuff comes out all the time, so what if you have revision A instead of C. This happens with every product sold.
#9 Windows search better than OS X Spotlight? Are you on drugs? Wrong, period...do some actual testing before you say such things. Spotlight is INSTANT..and it blows Windows Search away. Window resizing from the sides? This is a fundamental difference between Mac and PC interface design. Its not a boon for either camp. Manipulating files in OS X is a breeze and it has built in folder options as well as automation tools that a basic user can configure, auto updates, auto copies, hell automate anything.
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PCLemmings
Oct 24, 2008 11:13 AM
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Wow. Obviously written by someone who doesn't have a clue about Macs (a pretend journalist) and is just looking to spike traffic to his site with another PC vrs Mac flame war.
But, these are fun so I'll jump into the fray:
1-"Service Packs", spoken like a true PC peasant. Mac's have OS advances (y'know, the stuff Microsoft so desperately try to steal) that change the OS dramaticaly - except they work pretty well (unlike Vista). System updates are free downloads.
2 - Price for Premium blah blah blah. You're right there. Let the riff-raff buy cheap to their hearts content - they are still using Windows. Oh wait, you guys can steal and hack OSX can't you. Which makes PC culture the perfect match for idols Microsoft - criminal.
3 - Games. Like that's a good thing? I guess the Mullet-haired crowd really need their FPS fix to get whatever passes for thought processes...
4 - 1 button mouse. Seriously, how dense can you be?? All of these years, and PC users still haven't figured out the insult you guys? Here's a clue: Apple has been telling PC users to piss-off. They brought the mouse to market, and if you don't like it, buy your own damn 2 button mouse. (tweak the driver? WTF???)
5 - Broadband hardly works on Macs. You totally made that up in a desperate attempt to make a list.
6 - Custom made systems = sad geeks with no life.
7 - Macs are months behind. Right. That's why MS and every PC maker try to blatantly rip off Apple the minute it realeases something.
8 - Life beyond 1rst... sorry that was so dumb it would be silly to comment on.
9 - Superior search facilities. But you talk about the windowing system (???) ...um, Mac's search blows windows out of the water. You should try it sometime.
10 - Safety in numbers. Wow, talk about Lemmings...
11 - Sensible support costs. Right, because for PC users, constant support to keep their machines running is a fact of life.
12 - Microsoft is on your team. Now who's drinking the cool-aid?? |
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
Oct 24, 2008 11:38 AM
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PCLemmings wrote:Wow. Obviously written by someone who doesn't have a clue about Macs
And you're argument sounds like it's written by someone who doesn't have a clue about PCs. :)
Geeks with no lives? Wow. I guess I better go hang myself then. Stereotyping is bad, mkay? |
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Slatts
Oct 24, 2008 11:49 AM
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PCLemmings wrote:Wow. Obviously written by someone who doesn't have a clue about Macs (a pretend journalist) and is just looking to spike traffic to his site with another PC vrs Mac flame war.
But, these are fun so I'll jump into the fray:
1-"Service Packs", spoken like a true PC peasant. Mac's have OS advances (y'know, the stuff Microsoft so desperately try to steal) that change the OS dramaticaly - except they work pretty well (unlike Vista). System updates are free downloads.
2 - Price for Premium blah blah blah. You're right there. Let the riff-raff buy cheap to their hearts content - they are still using Windows. Oh wait, you guys can steal and hack OSX can't you. Which makes PC culture the perfect match for idols Microsoft - criminal.
3 - Games. Like that's a good thing? I guess the Mullet-haired crowd really need their FPS fix to get whatever passes for thought processes...
4 - 1 button mouse. Seriously, how dense can you be?? All of these years, and PC users still haven't figured out the insult you guys? Here's a clue: Apple has been telling PC users to piss-off. They brought the mouse to market, and if you don't like it, buy your own damn 2 button mouse. (tweak the driver? WTF???)
5 - Broadband hardly works on Macs. You totally made that up in a desperate attempt to make a list.
6 - Custom made systems = sad geeks with no life.
7 - Macs are months behind. Right. That's why MS and every PC maker try to blatantly rip off Apple the minute it realeases something.
8 - Life beyond 1rst... sorry that was so dumb it would be silly to comment on.
9 - Superior search facilities. But you talk about the windowing system (???) ...um, Mac's search blows windows out of the water. You should try it sometime.
10 - Safety in numbers. Wow, talk about Lemmings...
11 - Sensible support costs. Right, because for PC users, constant support to keep their machines running is a fact of life.
12 - Microsoft is on your team. Now who's drinking the cool-aid??
I feel your pain lem.
Have you considered seeing someone?
Anger management classes might help?:) |
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mathue
Oct 30, 2008 10:21 AM
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5 - Broadband just works
What sort of borked up Broadband modem requires one to have a PC? Granted, this may be a geographical location issue but I can't think of any good reason why a broadband modem with integral DHCP should present a problem to anyone, let alone what brand and model of computer.
3 - Thousands of decent games
For those of us with families and social lives outside of the home this seems rather a peculiar knock against the MAC. I suppose it might be of interest to a young child or an early teen but computer games in general strike me as a huge waste of time and my kids don't have the free time with homework and sports to waste it. If there's some known 'life benefit' to playing Rainbow Six I'd love to see the research. Odds are it's not going to be a bullet point on a college application or getting a good job.
12 - Microsoft’s on your team
You must be joking. Does no one have any long term memory?
Until Vista SP1 our company had a great deal of difficulty with what few Vista machines we had. The great majority of our workforce still is either on XP SP2, OS X 10.4/10.5 or for a couple of our super geeks, whatever flavour of Linux is in vogue. Currently the Intel macs have shown to be robust and reliable since we started buying them a few months after Apple switched in early 2006. As for costs, this is tricky. The Macs run XP without issue and there are a few here with the first gen Intels that run both XP and OSX on theirs. In those cases we eliminate a machine, Looking at total time needed to maintain them for our in-house IT shows they consume less of IT's resources. Enough so that our CTO chose not to outsource our IT to Mexico last year so it must have been fairly significant. (Thank God too, I sorta like our IT guys. For IT they are remarkably well grounded)
All in all, looking at this list as a longtime Windows user since Windows 2.03 (I think in 1988? It's been a long time) I'd say it's rather flawed and many of the points are a bit of a stretch. |
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
Oct 30, 2008 11:01 AM
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mathue wrote:
3 - Thousands of decent games
For those of us with families and social lives outside of the home this seems rather a peculiar knock against the MAC. I suppose it might be of interest to a young child or an early teen but computer games in general strike me as a huge waste of time and my kids don't have the free time with homework and sports to waste it. If there's some known 'life benefit' to playing Rainbow Six I'd love to see the research. Odds are it's not going to be a bullet point on a college application or getting a good job.
You could say that about sport in general. There are several gamers, most of which are not "kids". |
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zystof
Nov 3, 2008 12:14 PM
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Lol who cares about what they use in movies PC's are Better By Far!! |
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hacker16
Nov 5, 2008 3:06 PM
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have you ever seen 8gigs of memory and a processer that could light the world on fire in a MAC.NO so END OF STORY |
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propagandhi
Dec 3, 2008 11:50 AM
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This entire article was written by a complete imbecile, or maybe a collection of them. What a piece of absolute crap. Way to waste an hour or so though, making a bunch of weak assertions. |
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macsarebetter
Dec 12, 2008 2:35 PM
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get up to date PC authority, the new Mighty Mouse has 2 mouse buttons, since 2005 you can run Windows XP/Vista on a mac- so games are not limited and PCs are just full of viruses and keep chrashing GET A MAC OR ELSE |
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ENFUSIA
Dec 15, 2008 1:56 PM
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I was expecting some really powerful responses to defend Mac's against these 32 reasons. But all I thought was.........LAME!
P.S. PC's Rule! |
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
Dec 15, 2008 6:25 PM
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I've been given a MacBook from work, so I'm looking into it further with an open mind. It reminds me of Ubuntu. :P |
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Stylez
Dec 16, 2008 5:22 PM
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best article in the world =] |
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scubasteve
Dec 17, 2008 8:29 AM
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I have to say whoever wrote this is not only bias but also a retard. Before writing articles it might be worth getting facts right. |
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Stylez
Dec 17, 2008 4:35 PM
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Stop saying 'they just work' non-stop quoting from advertising campaigns shows us how smart you really are.
This site awesome too check it out ;)
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=macs_cant
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malai5
Dec 17, 2008 10:08 PM
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Why not have the best of both worlds, run Linux for your Unix "Fix", on a PC with Windows Dual booted.
Apple is just another version of Linux, anyway, (thats going to raise some flack) except it COSTS.
Cheers
Malai5
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Slatts
Dec 18, 2008 8:26 PM
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:. wrote:I've been given a MacBook from work, so I'm looking into it further with an open mind. It reminds me of Ubuntu. :P
So Cybe, a holiday job before Uni or are you going straight into the job market?
malai5 wrote:Why not have the best of both worlds, run Linux for your Unix "Fix", on a PC with Windows Dual booted.
Apple is just another version of Linux, anyway, (thats going to raise some flack) except it COSTS.
Cheers
Malai5
Edited by malai5: 17/12/2008 10:11:27 PM
That's just nasty mal. you know these people don't have a sense of humour.[-x |
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malai5
Dec 18, 2008 8:59 PM
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Sense of humour!
:roll:
Those who don't have a sense of humour give us the chance to exercise ours.
Sort of like nature's balance :lol:
Actually it's probably not real humour, just irony.;) (Which is serious humour)
Cheers
Malai5
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krazikiwi
Dec 18, 2008 10:42 PM
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malai5 wrote:Apple is just another version of Linux, anyway, (thats going to raise some flack) except it COSTS.
Cheers
Malai5
Edited by malai5: 17/12/2008 10:11:27 PM
yep, it is just another linux, minus the hardware support... |
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malai5
Dec 18, 2008 11:06 PM
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Yeah, I forgot about that.
Applux only supports it's own hardware. Pretty limited game that.:-k
Cheers
Malai5 |
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qt101
Dec 21, 2008 3:23 PM
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Hi All,
WOW their are some haters in here :-/ see one such quote: PCLemmings Posted: Friday, 24 October 2008 11:13:14 AM amongst some of the others... I think there is Good and Bad in all OS's.
Speaking of patches - check the latest "Patch-Macday info": http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/16/apple_patch_release/
Yeah Mac's also have security flaws - and Apple have recently gone on air stating they would recommend that their users install AV software on their systems.
So... who ever say's there are no MAC viruses out there - [tut-tut] maybe check out your facts first ;-) http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/02/apple_mac_av_advice/
All OS's have Bugs/Security Flaws/Vulnerabilities & Virus's! - the Operating Systems: that are more widely used 'will always be more exposed to threats' than those the aren't as proliferate.
I use different OS flavours and each have good and bad points. So why all the haters??? Lets be happy we have freedom of choice.
Misinformation is a shame: - why not try all before commenting with nastiness!
Btw: I also use VISTA and not had a problem with it at all. Most problems - come from those not using it the way it should be used; like with old hardware! - things not run with Admin rights etc.! [when installing older programs] - it's a good tip, to right click> when installing older progs and select [Run as Administrator] this will avoid older installation hiccups. Due to the new [User Access Control] permission, stoping some older progs/apps from installing correctly/error free. Making you believe they are unable to be installed on Vista.
:-) qt101
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
Dec 25, 2008 10:47 PM
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Slatts wrote:.:Cyb3rGlitch:. wrote:I've been given a MacBook from work, so I'm looking into it further with an open mind. It reminds me of Ubuntu. :P So Cybe, a holiday job before Uni or are you going straight into the job market?
It's a traineeship. I'm likely going to quit though, since my UAI was better than expected. |
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Slatts
Dec 25, 2008 11:44 PM
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:. wrote:Slatts wrote:.:Cyb3rGlitch:. wrote:I've been given a MacBook from work, so I'm looking into it further with an open mind. It reminds me of Ubuntu. :P So Cybe, a holiday job before Uni or are you going straight into the job market? It's a traineeship. I'm likely going to quit though, since my UAI was better than expected.
It's good to have options.:) |
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David321123
Jan 1, 2009 10:43 AM
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ummm wow you PC people. its plain and simple...PC's SUCK! when i had my PC (with vista) i had problems with it nearly every week..but then...I GOT A MAC!!!!! ive had it nearly a year and not one problem wtih it. and to people who say macs CAN get viruses, thats very true, but think about it. if you have a PC, there are MILLLIONS of viruses out there formatted JUST for PC. for mac there are very few. and if you do have a PC chances are you have Macafee. That system slows your PC down soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much it isnt even funny, but wait, macs dont need that. to skip to another point, ever try opening up 5-6 applications on a PC and then trying to open up internet explorer? takes about 2-3 minutes for it to completly come up. on a mac, no such thing. open as many applicatons as you like, still not slow. and as for the people with the price issue, seriously, mac comes with ALL basic neccesities and updates are free. with a PC, it costs to buy things like powerpoint and word and publisher. might i add that macs can run vista? i figured you guys knew, but hell, it runs much smoother than say on a PC. And one more small thing, isnt a Mac much much muuuch easier to take care of say something does go wrong with it? the apple store is so extremely nice and the people there couldnt enjoy their jobs more.
In all, PC's are a joke. and from now on and until an even better version of a computer comes out, PC will always be trying to catch up. and dont tell me i need to know the facts cause i could give a crap less. this is MY review of a mac and how much better they are than PC's.
PC's ARE THE BIGGEST JOKE EVERRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
Jan 1, 2009 10:48 AM
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I'm glad you like your Mac David321123. Perhaps if you knew how to use a PC properly, you'd enjoy both platforms. |
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malai5
Jan 1, 2009 12:44 PM
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WOW, david, that "Cool Aid" has certainly gone to your head.:shock:
I hope you can keep funding your "addiction" to the Mac fanboy "Club" because the "withdrawal" could be painfull.
Cheers
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Slatts
Jan 1, 2009 3:46 PM
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David321123 wrote:ummm wow you PC people. its plain and simple...PC's SUCK! when i had my PC (with vista) i had problems with it nearly every week..but then...I GOT A MAC!!!!! ive had it nearly a year and not one problem wtih it. and to people who say macs CAN get viruses, thats very true, but think about it. if you have a PC, there are MILLLIONS of viruses out there formatted JUST for PC. for mac there are very few. and if you do have a PC chances are you have Macafee. That system slows your PC down soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much it isnt even funny, but wait, macs dont need that. to skip to another point, ever try opening up 5-6 applications on a PC and then trying to open up internet explorer? takes about 2-3 minutes for it to completly come up. on a mac, no such thing. open as many applicatons as you like, still not slow. and as for the people with the price issue, seriously, mac comes with ALL basic neccesities and updates are free. with a PC, it costs to buy things like powerpoint and word and publisher. might i add that macs can run vista? i figured you guys knew, but hell, it runs much smoother than say on a PC. And one more small thing, isnt a Mac much much muuuch easier to take care of say something does go wrong with it? the apple store is so extremely nice and the people there couldnt enjoy their jobs more.
In all, PC's are a joke. and from now on and until an even better version of a computer comes out, PC will always be trying to catch up. and dont tell me i need to know the facts cause i could give a crap less. this is MY review of a mac and how much better they are than PC's.
PC's ARE THE BIGGEST JOKE EVERRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wow david!!!!!!!!!!!!
You've like totally sold me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I totally agree it's a muuuuuuuuuuuuuch better idea to send your laptop to the manufacturer to get the battery changed.
Wow!!!! internet explorer!!!!!!!!!!!! I didn't know people still used that!!!!!!!!!!!!
OpenOffice.org!!!!!!!!!! Just thought I'd drop that in cause it's sooooooooooooooooooooooooo free.
I'm so pleased to hear that all those nasty things I've read about the apple stores are untrue.
Hay, and happy new year everyone.:d
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maclover
Jan 13, 2009 7:04 AM
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I am going to go through and tell why each of these first 12 reasons is bogus...maybe later I will move on to more of them, when I have time...
1-each update costs $199, for a 5-user package...so if each new OS comes out every year, then you pay $40 per year for a new OS...that is probably less than you pay for 1 year of anti-virus, which macs do not need. So you get a new OS every year, and that $200 for the new Windows OS every 4 years is not needed.
2-these prices are so outdated...in the low-quality systems, PC can out-do Mac...however, in systems that cost over $1000, your Mac computer will cost less and have more features than your average PC...that expensive processor on Mac computers comes free, but is very costly on a PC...even though they are quite comparable in prices, your Mac system has much higher quality components, and will last much longer.
3-So there are no decent games for Mac? Look again...on the Apple website you can buy tons of Mac games, such as Call of Duty 2, Call of Duty 4, Medal of Honor, Doom, Age of Empires 3, Madden NFL, Tiger Woods PGA Tour, Command and Conquer, World of Warcraft, Battlefield 2142, Tradewinds Legends, The Sims 2, FATE, Guitar Hero, Star Wars Battlefront, Monopoly, Chessmaster, Need For Speed Carbon, and many more.
4-So your grandma can run it? right. But you still cannot complain about the mouse. The new trackpad is amazing, and if you want to, you can make it a 2-button mouse, but I sure wouldn't.
5-Mac computers have problems finding an ISP? Mac computers can pick up on most ISPs, but as far as High-Speed connections go (which 98% of the population uses), Mac computers have no problems whatsoever.
6-only 3 mac computer?...I counted 6, and each of those is customizable to whatever specifications that you want. The reason why Mac computers don't say "for home", "for Office", "for gaming", and so on, is because Macs were made to do it all. Just look at what you want to do, and customize your style of system to it.
7-Months Behind? what a lie! Mac computers are soooo far ahead of PCs!! Apple has the thinnest notebook on the market, the fastest desktop on the market, the most graphically advanced notebook on the market, the longest battery notebook on the market, extreme touchpads, incredible designs, great processors, high-speed RAM, solid-state drives, totally advanced all-in-ones, and the best and most reliable Operating System on the market. behind technology? think again!
8-outdated after January 1st? no way! Unlike PCs, Mac computers do not become out-dated for several years. Even though new technology made it so that your computer is outdated, your computer will still run the newest Operating system for years to come. Unlike all of those 512 MB RAM systems that became outdated because of Vista, Mac computers from 2005 can still run the newest Mac OS.
9-superior searching? yes, in Mac computers. Safari is the best and fastest web browser on the market, besides the fact that you have Finder, which not only leaves Windows search far behind, but it also can perform calculations.
10-Safety in numbers? Apple would never, ever, for any reason drop the Mac OS!! Windows sucks, and that is final!! Mac OS is the most compatible system only because of the fact that they wanted to make everything compatible. By making everything compatible, they number of systems which they sell on a monthly basis is growing incredibly fast.
11-The prices are wrong, and the service is superb! Mac support is excellent, but is hardly ever needed. It also costs at max $350 ($240 for students), and that is on the most expensive on the Apple notebooks. This includes 3 years of service, and from the time the system leaves your home to the time in which it returns is rarely over a week. Lets compare that to HP and Dell warranties. Your 3 year HP warranty costs between $300 and $370. I know from experience that it takes HP between 4 and 8 weeks to return a product. (It has taken up to 3 months, which is better than Toshiba's 8-16 weeks!!) Dell warranties are by far better than HP or Toshiba's. Dell's 3 year warranty costs $300, and there time from your home and back to your home is about 1 week, which is very comparable to Apple.
12-Microsoft is on your team? who wants that? So what, you get MS Office 2007 for $150, well, we get iWork '08, and now iWork '09, for only $80. That is not counting the fact that iWork is so much better than MS Office. Who wants Microsoft on their team? not me, I would rather stick with my friends at Apple.
I am now done with reasons 1-12 on why Mac is better than PC ;) I have not always been a Mac lover...I have been a PC user for 8 years, and am very experienced at using all types of PCs, different brands, different programs, different Operating Systems, and different computer types. I recently became a Mac person, and I still have a Windows XP, Windows Vista, and a Linux, so I can see how the different systems compare to each other. Mac TOTALLY OWNS all of the other systems, in every feature, speed, and program.
PC's ARE THE BIGGEST JOKE EVERRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!
I totally agree with David!! Mac ROCKS!!!! |
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flaky
Feb 20, 2009 1:48 AM
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I like both platforms, this article is quite dishonest though and I don't think people should rely on disinformation when making their purchasing decisions. I'll continue on debunking the points here starting at 13. IMHO, most people will feel comfortable using PCs if that's what they're used to. Microsoft is releasing better and better products and their new operating systems are almost as good as OS X in terms of usability and value. If you want to try a Mac, it's an expensive jump, and it will interfere with your comfort level until you get used to it. The upside is better hardware and your mac will continue to run without issue or slowdown for years. It will also keep its value and you can sell it for much more than a PC when you upgrade or move on. I think Macs are best for home use, and Windows is better for business. The best of all worlds is virtualization, but it's expensive and unrealistic for most folks.
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13 - Black’s still the new black
...the problem of your IT equipment becoming a fashion accessory.
--- First off, I hear PC folks constantly complaining about their equipment compared to others, this point is filler and applies to both platforms.
14 - The CD-ROM has an eject button
...And what happens on those occasions when the Mac refuses to open the disc drawer?
--- That's because the volume is mounted and in use. On a PC, you can remove the volume and hope the software can handle it. On a Mac, you have to stop using the volume before removing it. I don't see an advantage in the PC method.
15 - No confusing version numbers
...Here are the operating system requirements for Apple’s iLife 06 suite: “Mac OS X v10.3.9 or v10.4.3 or later; v10.4.4 recommended.” ...Even the most complicated Windows system requirements will only specify a service pack.
--- Google DLL hell. Apple providing point releases and using them is beneficial to IT folks. Microsoft uses Service Packs, but updates the system almost every tuesday and gives no easy method of knowing the state of the OS between SP numbers.
16 - What the hell was that?
[Apple] decided that a simple PC-like “beep” from the hardware to indicate the successful start of the boot process wasn’t annoying enough. Instead, it substituted the most appalling metallic clanging noise you’ve ever heard. And you can’t turn it off unless you mute the whole machine before you shut it down. Classy.
--- This is clutching at straws, it's called a POST beep, it means the BIOS tests of the hardware succeeded. Many PC MBs have it as well. Turning of PC post beeps is harder than turning off Mac POST beeps, btw.
17 - Cheap OEM versions
www.engit.com.au, is selling Vista Home Premium OEM for $150.40, which makes it more than $48.60 cheaper than the latest version of Mac OS X.
--- Newegg.com is selling OSX Tiger for $130, with docs and support, asenashop.com sells five licenses for 134.99 ($27 ea). You can install and reinstall and move your OS around without 'reactivation'.
18 - Far better media capability
... Windows Media Center is now built into Vista Home Premium and Ultimate, and turns your PC into a very effective personal video recorder, with its excellent onscreen television guide and the option to record all the episodes in a series. Apple’s Front Row, on the other hand, doesn’t offer any television features – in fact, it’s little more than a flashy front end for its iTunes software.
--- MacMini with EyeTV comes with HDMI, runs silently, and is much more attractive in a media center. Oh yeah, costs less too. The author is right in that Apple doesn't offer a good PVR solution themselves, but there are many options available.
19 - IT support expertise
When it comes to the workplace, Windows is the predominant OS by a mile ....there’s an army of support professionals out there with vast experience of making it work. ...you don’t need an MBA to spot the smart investment.
--- LOL, my company has ~60 Macs, ~20 *nix servers and ~30 Windows PCs. Our IT staff = 3 Windows IT soldiers and 1 Apple tech. OTOH, I thanks my lucky stars that PCs are difficult to work with, as it provides income for an army of support professionals, including me sometimes. As you say, "you don’t need an MBA to spot the smart investment."
20 - Not so insecure
...to suggest, as it does, that your PC is at risk from more than 100,000 viruses, is ludicrous.
--- they're doing what you're doing, exaggerating. It is true that a windows PC without virus protection is extremely vulnerable to attack. It is true that a Mac without virus oprotection is not very vulnerable to attack. It is true that it isn't difficult to protect a PC from attack, they leave that stuff out, just like you leave out the Mac mini with Eyetv as a PVR option, or the fact that OS X is cheaper than Vista if you look for competetive pricing for both platforms. I agree it's ludicrous.
21 - Copious amount of freeware
--- Find a piece of freeware on downloads.com that doesn't have an analog for the Mac, and that isn't relegated to cleaning up your Registry :) and you may have a point.
22 - What is it with Steve Jobs?
...he decided to upbraid the music industry for its addiction to DRM with a public statement on Apple’s website ... despite the fact that Apple has successfully locked people into the iPod upgrade cycle by applying its own proprietary DRM.
--- Wow, Jobs complains that the Music Industry forces it to use DRM and you blame them for using DRM that the music industry forces them to use.
23 - The menu is where?
...the menu bar for any given application is at the top of the screen.
--- Interfacce Consistency is one of Apple's goals, they don't always succeed, but at least they try.
24 - Full selection of peripherals
-- True, but with a 10% OS share (probably higher) and climbing, more vendors will invest in the lucrative Mac software market. |
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Lost-Benji
Feb 20, 2009 8:52 AM
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ROFL, gotta love watching lovers of the "Rottern Apple" get all touchy. |
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Eddy
Mar 5, 2009 7:38 PM
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Features of the system take them on the peak even that,s the pc or anyother |
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sotong
Mar 16, 2009 11:22 AM
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Hey this is so bizarre & spooky. While I am still reading this article, hangs off keyboard & mouse, my DVD-rom ejected it's tray on its own! I have just finished the section about the "CD Rom eject button" & it happened! Can someone tell me please what's going on? |
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sotong
Mar 16, 2009 11:23 AM
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Oops type error...should be "hands off my keyboard & mouse" |
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Roobok
Mar 30, 2009 2:36 AM
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I've seldom, if ever, heard anyone mention keyboards when it comes to PCs versus Macs.
The Mac's keyboard is the most laughably ugly product in the world of computing.
In the computing world we are incredibly fortunate to have so many keyboards to choose from... basic, gaming, multimedia, and ergonomic. I'm lucky to have one that's whisper quiet to the touch, and for this reason alone I would find it hard to choose anything else.
Mac keyboards, however, are so laughably ugly that I can't understand why the Staff writers could possibily argue that "There still isn’t a PC maker on the planet that can hold a candle to Apple when it comes to product design". That's if they were refering to the look of the Mac and not other design aspects.
I've looked at them over the years, and played around with them.
Apple may think they have been clever with their changing designs, but they're always so cheap and nasty.
The M2452, which came out in 1998 made of translucent plastic. The first was 'Bondi blue', then came the darker gray, and the five fruit-coloured range.
Somehow I can't see how fruit colours would work in any office environment, and yes, there are businesses which maked use of Macs.
When I first saw the A1048, I was surprised. There was still no change to the ergonomics (or lack thereof), the keys still clicked like a woman wearing stilletos on a marble floor, and it didn't give the impression of class.
I haven't seen the ultra thin A1242 and its wireless brother which come with the new iMac, so I will reserve judgement. |
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spottydog
Apr 3, 2009 7:28 AM
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I would ask these questions:
Who has the greatest market share?
Which OS is easier to use and learn?
How much does it cost to repair a PC versus Mac?
How many PC versus Mac repairers are in your local area?
What 3rd party software is available for each platform?
When you answer these questions, you will know why the PC will always be the majority and not the minority.
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bugmenot
Apr 26, 2009 12:40 AM
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well i would rather bite an apple than a PC. I used apple when oregon trail was the lastest game . and it sucked. apple is to pc like english is to chinese. backwards. |
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Unknown_101
May 6, 2009 6:22 PM
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Goodies use Macs, Baddies use PCs???
WTF??? how dose this have anything to do with the dam computer????
Mods don’t rule
frankly my last tower had a water cooled cpu, a few led's showing off the goodies inside, as well as a nice LCD stat despaly at the front and always got something along the lines of 'holy shit, thats cool' but when i showed them i had a new iPod, they simply said so do i....yeh....
Triple booting?
umm i have a pc running atm that takes the place of 4 servers (given the pc is a monster) but i dont know what that was ment to say.... |
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wheelnut53
May 20, 2009 4:48 AM
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Gotta love it! I counted down till a Mac user came in and nit pick . Face it if you cant tweak your toy whats the use . Both are computers one is simple the other one isn't case closed. |
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twoworlds
Jun 3, 2009 3:13 PM
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that wouldn't happen to be a shiny new MacBook on the latest issue of PC Authority would it? |
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Slatts
Jun 3, 2009 7:57 PM
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twoworlds wrote:that wouldn't happen to be a shiny new MacBook on the latest issue of PC Authority would it?
Oh! My God!
Say it isn't so[-o< [-o< |
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zeOmegaBoyo
Jun 6, 2009 4:17 AM
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bishodante from the very start takes great efforts to appear young and "savy". All-knowing as sort of side effect of being "young." Thus even his way of posting is like a mac ad campaign, so he can leave readers like this O.O. However most of what he said is hot air, just like "the cloud" his head is "all about", haha take that mactard. "It's all about the iphone?" Bringing unrelated products into this conversation much? The "all about the" is very annoying and manipulative.
Actually he doesn't really say much of anything, but acts like he does, to make you "feel" not "think" he's right. Interesting, a study showed that's exactly how mac ad campaigns run. He even tries to get into unix (for the intimidation factor) which he most likely doesn't use. The warez scene, well it's true u'll never b l33t on a mac, not that I ever care about shet lyk that. I'm not trying to out-do someone based on superficial things.
Point blank, when you see what I create and compare it to what you create, you will know the difference is not based on what tools I use, it's based on the fact that I am a creative genius, and you are not. And I chose to use a PC. So stop this bs of judging people's ability based on tool's that aren't different enough to make or break a genius. That IS what annoys me about Macintosh and it's cult.
bishopdante did u lyk that pwn cake? Silly noob
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Slatts
Jun 6, 2009 9:20 AM
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I just re-read bishopdantes posts and yes, it does read like he/she was typing one handed. I think you've wasted your accelerant though Omega. bishopdante left the building after desecrating it in August last year...
Still, good luck with your creating.:) |
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Nick9999
Oct 7, 2009 3:08 AM
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I have been using a PC for about 6 years various types and most recently notebooks, one an IBM T40 and a french designed HP NX 6120, basically I lost stacks of money and the machines whenever there was a problem would need tpo be shut down so the machines wouldnt lose all the files. One serious problem I had was with the pc cillin and Norton antiviruses which the makers would funnel personal information about my usage and websites I have visited and deliver it to sopme religious organisations to use in all different ways. I am not prejudiced, vut I do feel violated that such an organisations (any) can abuse the rights of those who pay to keep their families safe. That is not all anyway because the PC is a piece of shit and Now I have discovered macs I would never go back to PCs again, Its LOL funny to see how they had so many people across the world fooled and the garbage tips in china have nearly poisoned all the local populations, My mate just got $400 for a clamshell, If you were lucky it might be possible to get $50 for an acer 400mhz. the acer would not still work on the internet but the mac still does. As far as I can see all you PC people should take a look around the corner at whats coming. I like the comment NO BS get your act together! |
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Slatts
Oct 7, 2009 10:21 PM
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LOL
bloody troll.:^o |
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pcversusmac
Oct 13, 2009 8:12 AM
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It is not fair to compare pcs and macs as it is likely comparing oranges with apples. Some people like oranges than apples vice versa. But because of features, reliability, the needs of people for using either PC and Mac , we can make an analogy like this:
Having PC is like having an ordinary car like toyota, honda, etc where people can afford and have lots of models to choose for and having Mac is like driving and having a luxury car such as: Lexus, BMW , Audi etc where they are dearer and pricer both for cost of buying them and maintenance. However in the long run, if you sell your luxury car, say in 10 years, you get more of it and they are more reliable and last longer than cheap cars.
Those who have money, I think they can justify buy apples as much as luxury cars than PC or toyota. Importantly you can not blame them for not liking toyota or pc as they like the features and stabilities of apples.
I have my lexus IS-F, and it will never be for me to come back and drive any ordinary cars such as: honda, etc no matter how cheap they are. They will not have the same comfortability and safety as the ones found in luxury cars. |
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ksnetsolution
Oct 19, 2009 5:40 PM
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Macs have, for some reason, have never been very good to gamers -- games on the Mac have largely been an afterthought while Microsoft is balls-deep in its Xbox experiment.
Read more: http://www.esquire.com/the-side/opinion/why-macs-suck#ixzz0UMUIsFM8
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krazikiwi
Oct 19, 2009 7:05 PM
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Has anyone here ever compared warranties between a mac and say, a lenovo?
Difference is amazing.
This is just one of the reasons I like PCs.
Now that mac use intel processors, they are just pc's in a shiny wrapper.
As for what pcversusmac was saying, prestige is something special.
No other will ever be as good as the expensive one if you have lots of money and listen too closely to salespeople...
The only reason macs don't like games, is that most games are written for windows, because most people use windows.
MacOS is a *nix operating system (or BSD, I'm not sure), and to start with, it won't play with .exe files. They also don't have a registry for the games to grab info from, and use a different file system.
Some popular games do get ported to mac, but only if there is a HUGE market for it.
Oh, and to nick9999, the acer 400mhz is probably a wee bit older than that clam shell.
In fact I find it unlikely that it even has a built-in NIC, which WOULD make it just a little difficult to use todays internet hardware... |
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retta1
Oct 19, 2009 9:33 PM
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What difference does it make! Seriously, some people like to play games and some dont. Some people like macs and some dont. end of story. I like to play games and so have a pc. When i upgrade my boyfriends lappie it will be to a mac, for a couple of reasons
1: that it comes with software that with a pc you have to pay and so by the time you actually pay for all the software needed or wanted on your pc it is roughly the same damned price as a mac!
2: In a couple of years when i again upgrade the pc to play the next game that i really really want the mac will still be there and hopefully last longer that the lappie i currently ahve. 3: nothing against laptops but when something in incased in half steel and half plastic then the mac is full steel and we travel it makes the mac a little more sturdier! AND yes i have ACTUALLY gone and checked out and done my research on them and not listened to salesmen!!!! that is provided that you actually do pay and not use free/share/open ware and dont pirate stuff!
There and now i have broken my silence and my self-respect, as i said i wouldn't respond to this stupidity and I have!:roll: |
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krazikiwi
Oct 20, 2009 5:44 PM
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lolz. don't spoil the fun...
you are right though, it doesn't matter, and the two are about as comparable as windows and linux anyway...
hey, why don't we start windows vs. linux match in another thread, that could be fun. |
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Slatts
Oct 21, 2009 1:47 PM
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Linux is rubbish! windoz for the win!:twisted:
Er..
just kidding...8-[
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retta1
Oct 21, 2009 2:16 PM
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krazikiwi you're on! One thing tho, never had much to do with linux. on the old spare comp i am putting on ubuntu and giving it ago tho. should be interesting!:-k i will add another comment; what game can you get on xbox that you cant for ps say. xbox is just another ms in a box and no keyboard. |
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krazikiwi
Oct 21, 2009 6:26 PM
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I'm pretty sure you could hook a keyboard up to an X-box and install XP on it. or linux. |
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madeinUSA
Oct 27, 2009 9:16 PM
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There are more qualitative software for them. |
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Slatts
Oct 27, 2009 9:35 PM
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madeinUSA wrote:There are more qualitative software for them.
qualitative madein? or quantitative? |