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linuxonmac
Apr 5, 2008 10:50 PM
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32 reasons for those who don't know better. I don't know about adds but I use both, PC and Mac and comparing them is just not fair - PC is soooo inferior. The only advantage PC has over Mac is number of programs available for it. About G5 being inferior to Intel for years - how did you test it? And what about Cell chip from IBM? Intel will get there in 4-5 years. Maybe. It would be interesting if author of this article try to spec PC similar to the biggest 24" iMac (including monitor). And by the way - how many monitors (any size) can compare in quality to iMac? Not many. I doubt he would be able to beat the price. Let's forget about look as that would be too much to ask from gray box manufacturers. Oh yes I said I use PC as well - XP is fired up from time to time but Linux Mint is main resident on that machine. 3D desktop included and multiple workspaces of course - Windows will get there in next decade hopefully.
Comment made about the PC Authority article: 32 Reasons why PCs are Better than Macs? Apple’s ads may be funny, but they’re woefully inaccurate. Here we reveal dozens of reasons why the PC outclasses the Mac.
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blockcentre
Apr 5, 2008 11:44 PM
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Sounds about right to me ;)
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
Apr 6, 2008 12:13 PM
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I agree 99%. That's why I stopped using Macs, they're a pain in the arse, and they (in my experience) crash much more than Vista (actually, Vista has never crashed on me, and I've had it for close to 2 years inc. betas).
I agree that Macs have their niche market, but I'd say they're unsuitable for most. I also find it hilarious that not even 10 points could be made to defend the Macs, the last one doesn't count, because it has nothing to do with the actual Mac as a computer.
I've used both platforms, and I find the PC to be better for ME. I don't deny that the Mac has it's uses for some people. |
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kevin_watters
May 19, 2008 1:48 PM
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LOL !!! Quote "12 - Microsoft’s on your team" endquote
Thats like saying you are affiliated with the Gambino crime family when the feds come knocking on your door...
PCs WERE better than Macs... until Vista came along :)
I've gone to Mac and will NEVER go back... they just WORK ! No viruses, no spyware... no BS from Microsoft. |
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totoaus
Jul 16, 2008 9:48 PM
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I have always said that my first computer would have to be a PC, but the second would be a Mac. This was always a career necessity, but I'd still love to have the guts to toss the PC and work solely with Macs. My first job was in a Computerland store with both machines and many others. The best argument I saw for a Mac was a salesman with no prior computer expereince: he struggled to do anything on a PC, but give him an early Mac with MacWrite and he could turn out amazing documents. Logic, rationality and reason can take you places, but the emotional responses that Macs cause are like your first love, and no attempt at reason can beat that level of passion. Far more PC users love to hate their machines, Mac users LOVE their machines |
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Slatts
Jul 16, 2008 10:09 PM
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kevin_watters wrote:LOL !!! Quote "12 - Microsoft’s on your team" endquote
Thats like saying you are affiliated with the Gambino crime family when the feds come knocking on your door...
PCs WERE better than Macs... until Vista came along :)
I've gone to Mac and will NEVER go back... they just WORK ! No viruses, no spyware... no BS from Microsoft.
Over priced no games.. Limited software no interest
linuxonmac wrote:And what about Cell chip from IBM? Intel will get there in 4-5 years. Maybe.
If the Cell CPU is so great why did Apple go to Intel?
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vjay
Aug 15, 2008 7:32 PM
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The biggest turn off with Macs are the users who are members of the Apple cult brandishing the "Macs don't catch viruses" claims along with everything else they gloat about. Lets face it, when a majority of computer users are using a Windows base who do you think a virus/trojan writer is going to target? Wait and see, the more people take up with a Mac... the more attractive a target they will be. It's just a matter of time and there are already instances of trojans being written for the Mac platform so that argument that a Mac is secure doesn't exactly ring true anymore. |
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OZSlayer
Aug 16, 2008 12:04 PM
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Macs are designed to appeal to the yuppies and girls (they usually drive a Smart car eg my bro the Mac fan) who are more concerned about how it looks and not how it performs. Mac can be fast but are very limited as to what software you can use and how they can be upgraded.
Intel purchased Apple, if they hadn't this conversation would be void as they would be bankrupt by now.
The print industry was really the only sector that show any interest in Mac's
Yes Mac owners are a breed apart from PC users and can never be told diff.
Yes I have used both but I prefer PC by a mile due to the huge array of features and software, Ok you can emulate windows on a Mac but that makes it slow, so why bother.
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Slatts
Aug 16, 2008 1:24 PM
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Ha Ha Apple tarts Ha Ha=p~ |
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bishopdante
Aug 18, 2008 8:13 PM
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OMFG what a load of noobed out riducule. Umm yeah there's valid points when comparing the platforms, but these are a joke.
The apple architecture switch from PPC to X86 was a commendable work of engineering! That's supposed to be impossible. Try running Vista on your XBox 360. Aaah. Big endian little endian. AltiVec or SSE? Oh they really aren't the same at all. Apple's platform switch is totally unprecedented. The type of move that kills platforms. But now apple's laptops are the best in the business. How on earth did they make that work?!
Actually, the apple environment has some quite fascinating plus points, and its approach is quite distinct from the windows environment. It's all about the core services, it's all about the cloud, and it's all about the iphone (jailbroken of course). OSX is NOTHING like the old classic OS. It's actually NeXT, which is totally different, and really cool if you are a developer. You can write python, ruby, whatever you want, and it'll run. mix 'em up in the project. UNIX.
Where it comes to Vista, it's all about DirectX10, O'C modding, the warez scene, lower costs, aggressive hardware development. But I have to say that Vista has not been so good to me. Not a work OS, still requires constant maintenance and hand holding, and that's as a media center.
My work machine is OSX running VMware for those windows apps. It's fine, really. I mean, I wouldn't run Maya in that, but it's plenty fast.
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bishopdante
Aug 18, 2008 8:20 PM
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broadband just works??! Who on earth uses a USB modem?
Are we talking 3rd party hardware drivers? I mean, I've seen windows being advertised as supported on the software box, but often in reality it's a bit different.
It's a moot point though, most hardware doesn't need drivers these days, and that's modems included.
Now there's one BIGGIE. Syncing phones, you can forget about having those apps for OSX. |
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timinator
Aug 23, 2008 10:55 PM
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I don't know why everyone hates Apple so much
12 months ago, I would have said 'long live the Windows PC- death to Mac OS X'. But since then, Apple have come a long way. With the release of Leopard (Mac OS X 10.5), Support for both Windows XP and Vista is now built in. All you need are the Leopard disks and a Windows licence key, and you can have Mac OS X and Windows running smoothly on Mac hardware. All these arguments about why Windows is better than Mac become null and void when you can have both Windows and OS X running natively on your Mac.
If someone asks me which OS I prefer- I still say Windows. But I also think that it is much better to have Windows running on the Mac than having Windows on a normal PC.
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Slatts
Aug 24, 2008 10:58 AM
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I think this says it all really [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-JdC04vBik[/youtube] |
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Jim.Dude
Aug 24, 2008 2:03 PM
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Slatts wrote:I think this says it all really [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-JdC04vBik[/youtube]
I'll play devil's advocate, since everyone seems to hate Apple... :p
Movie maker isn't exactly free. Sure, you can download it for free from Microsoft or through automatic update, but you have to validate your copy of XP at some stage, meaning you had to pay for windows anyway. Let's face it, they've probably bundled the costs in there...
Moreover, while it's true that movie maker does most things that iMovie does, iLife is more than just iMovie! You get iDvd, iPhoto, iWeb and Garageband...
iDVD and iPhoto aren't exactly revolutionary and in all fairness Apple's own iTunes can play DVD's and show photos...so it's a tough call on their value...although Media Player 11 can't play a DVD anyways, so it's really still APPLE > MS
The direct competitor of iWeb in MS would be FrontPage, which isn't free and has to be bought with Office also (ack, more costs)...and there is NO offering compared to Garangeband.
(For those of you who haven't used it, Garageband is an incredible program that allows you to choose from thousands of prerecorded instruments and beats and things to make and edit your own music.)
Movie maker is as good as iMovie, but MS has nothing 'free' on the rest and since iLife costs only $79, it really is a bargain...
And yes, I'm sure there's some dodgy knock-off open source thing that can do 85% of the things that iLife can for a fraction of the price...but, that means multiple installs, muptiple copes of things and just extra effort. For a sum of less than $100, I like the idea of it all coming on one CD.
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vjay
Aug 25, 2008 9:36 PM
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Jim.Dude wrote:I'll play devil's advocate, since everyone seems to hate Apple... :p
Movie maker isn't exactly free. Sure, you can download it for free from Microsoft or through automatic update, but you have to validate your copy of XP at some stage, meaning you had to pay for windows anyway. Let's face it, they've probably bundled the costs in there...
Moreover, while it's true that movie maker does most things that iMovie does, iLife is more than just iMovie! You get iDvd, iPhoto, iWeb and Garageband...
iDVD and iPhoto aren't exactly revolutionary and in all fairness Apple's own iTunes can play DVD's and show photos...so it's a tough call on their value...although Media Player 11 can't play a DVD anyways, so it's really still APPLE > MS
The direct competitor of iWeb in MS would be FrontPage, which isn't free and has to be bought with Office also (ack, more costs)...and there is NO offering compared to Garangeband.
(For those of you who haven't used it, Garageband is an incredible program that allows you to choose from thousands of prerecorded instruments and beats and things to make and edit your own music.)
Movie maker is as good as iMovie, but MS has nothing 'free' on the rest and since iLife costs only $79, it really is a bargain...
And yes, I'm sure there's some dodgy knock-off open source thing that can do 85% of the things that iLife can for a fraction of the price...but, that means multiple installs, muptiple copes of things and just extra effort. For a sum of less than $100, I like the idea of it all coming on one CD.
Edited by Jim.Dude: 24/8/2008 02:05:39 PM
I don't even know anyone who uses the movie maker thing in Windows to be honest. Or any of the other weird crap that comes bundled with systems. I didn't know DVD's didn't play in WMP 11? That's the first time I've ever heard about it since they work fine here. Then again I also run Quicktime, Real Player, divx/xvid and any other crummy video or music format through Windows Media Player 11 anyway because I really really have a dislike of having to install multiple players just in case I happen across content from them and this is done by installing the K-Lite codec pack. The only other thing you mentioned useful in your collection of items to me at any rate was the iWeb application and if it's anything like FrontPage I'd also avoid it because I don't like FrontPage I'm a Dreamweaver fan girl. :D |
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Jim.Dude
Aug 26, 2008 3:46 PM
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vjay wrote: I don't even know anyone who uses the movie maker thing in Windows to be honest. Or any of the other weird crap that comes bundled with systems. I didn't know DVD's didn't play in WMP 11? That's the first time I've ever heard about it since they work fine here. Then again I also run Quicktime, Real Player, divx/xvid and any other crummy video or music format through Windows Media Player 11 anyway because I really really have a dislike of having to install multiple players just in case I happen across content from them and this is done by installing the K-Lite codec pack. The only other thing you mentioned useful in your collection of items to me at any rate was the iWeb application and if it's anything like FrontPage I'd also avoid it because I don't like FrontPage I'm a Dreamweaver fan girl. :D
I've used movie maker a couple of times for assignments, but I don't make movies so I've no idea of what the alterantives are. DVD's certainly don't play on my laptop through WMP 11. The K-lite pack thing sounds fun, but that's the whole point of iLife. It comes with QuickTime/iDVD and iTunes is always pre-installed in the O/S so you don't need to install additional stuff.
Can't say I've used iWeb myself (or dreamweaver), but I know iWeb works out to be like $25 or something, how much is dreamweaver? Lastly, if you haven't had a chance to play with GarageBand, you're really missing out...it's an awesome program and it's terrible that so few alternatives exist that offer the same bang for buck. |
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nambypamby
Aug 26, 2008 8:49 PM
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is it fair to compare apples and oranges? |
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Jim.Dude
Aug 27, 2008 7:12 PM
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nambypamby wrote:is it fair to compare apples and oranges?
Huh? |
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genesishep
Oct 24, 2008 3:01 AM
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Ok, I just stopped writing this reply when I realized this article was from 2007. I think the world has seen and learned much this is article is not accurate by now. I guess you can disregard my statements below.
Wow...ok...this article is inaccurate in so many ways. Both platforms have their pluses, why not point out the right ones and leave the lies and FUD out of it.
#1. Apple does not charge for version updates either. release service packs. They do charge when they release complete new OS versions. This confuses your typical PC users because Apple has kept the OS X version numbers. For Marketing and "coolness" factors Apple is trying to stay with the "10" numbering scheme as long as possible. 10.1-10.5 are COMPLETELY different operating systems not just service packs. Comparing 10.1 to 10.5 is like comparing Win2k to Vista.
#3. Thankfully on a Mac you can run everything. Don't have the program available on the Mac platform? OK, install Windows or Linux and simply boot whatever your heart desires. In my book that gives the Mac more potential software titles than any PC out there.
#4. Come on guys, this is no longer an issue. Every Mac has shipped with a Mighty Mouse since 2005. I realize that it may "LOOK" like a 1 button mouse but its actually a 4 button mouse. It simply has a solid cover. I would expect a staff writer from a well known computer site to have at least this sort of basic knowledge. This is rather shocking to me and honestly makes the author come across as inept.
#8. This is just silly, almost every tech gadget you buy is yesterdays technology before you get it home. New stuff comes out all the time, so what if you have revision A instead of C. This happens with every product sold.
#9 Windows search better than OS X Spotlight? Are you on drugs? Wrong, period...do some actual testing before you say such things. Spotlight is INSTANT..and it blows Windows Search away. Window resizing from the sides? This is a fundamental difference between Mac and PC interface design. Its not a boon for either camp. Manipulating files in OS X is a breeze and it has built in folder options as well as automation tools that a basic user can configure, auto updates, auto copies, hell automate anything.
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PCLemmings
Oct 24, 2008 11:13 AM
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Wow. Obviously written by someone who doesn't have a clue about Macs (a pretend journalist) and is just looking to spike traffic to his site with another PC vrs Mac flame war.
But, these are fun so I'll jump into the fray:
1-"Service Packs", spoken like a true PC peasant. Mac's have OS advances (y'know, the stuff Microsoft so desperately try to steal) that change the OS dramaticaly - except they work pretty well (unlike Vista). System updates are free downloads.
2 - Price for Premium blah blah blah. You're right there. Let the riff-raff buy cheap to their hearts content - they are still using Windows. Oh wait, you guys can steal and hack OSX can't you. Which makes PC culture the perfect match for idols Microsoft - criminal.
3 - Games. Like that's a good thing? I guess the Mullet-haired crowd really need their FPS fix to get whatever passes for thought processes...
4 - 1 button mouse. Seriously, how dense can you be?? All of these years, and PC users still haven't figured out the insult you guys? Here's a clue: Apple has been telling PC users to piss-off. They brought the mouse to market, and if you don't like it, buy your own damn 2 button mouse. (tweak the driver? WTF???)
5 - Broadband hardly works on Macs. You totally made that up in a desperate attempt to make a list.
6 - Custom made systems = sad geeks with no life.
7 - Macs are months behind. Right. That's why MS and every PC maker try to blatantly rip off Apple the minute it realeases something.
8 - Life beyond 1rst... sorry that was so dumb it would be silly to comment on.
9 - Superior search facilities. But you talk about the windowing system (???) ...um, Mac's search blows windows out of the water. You should try it sometime.
10 - Safety in numbers. Wow, talk about Lemmings...
11 - Sensible support costs. Right, because for PC users, constant support to keep their machines running is a fact of life.
12 - Microsoft is on your team. Now who's drinking the cool-aid?? |
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
Oct 24, 2008 11:38 AM
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PCLemmings wrote:Wow. Obviously written by someone who doesn't have a clue about Macs And you're argument sounds like it's written by someone who doesn't have a clue about PCs. :)
Geeks with no lives? Wow. I guess I better go hang myself then. Stereotyping is bad, mkay? |
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Slatts
Oct 24, 2008 11:49 AM
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PCLemmings wrote:Wow. Obviously written by someone who doesn't have a clue about Macs (a pretend journalist) and is just looking to spike traffic to his site with another PC vrs Mac flame war.
But, these are fun so I'll jump into the fray:
1-"Service Packs", spoken like a true PC peasant. Mac's have OS advances (y'know, the stuff Microsoft so desperately try to steal) that change the OS dramaticaly - except they work pretty well (unlike Vista). System updates are free downloads.
2 - Price for Premium blah blah blah. You're right there. Let the riff-raff buy cheap to their hearts content - they are still using Windows. Oh wait, you guys can steal and hack OSX can't you. Which makes PC culture the perfect match for idols Microsoft - criminal.
3 - Games. Like that's a good thing? I guess the Mullet-haired crowd really need their FPS fix to get whatever passes for thought processes...
4 - 1 button mouse. Seriously, how dense can you be?? All of these years, and PC users still haven't figured out the insult you guys? Here's a clue: Apple has been telling PC users to piss-off. They brought the mouse to market, and if you don't like it, buy your own damn 2 button mouse. (tweak the driver? WTF???)
5 - Broadband hardly works on Macs. You totally made that up in a desperate attempt to make a list.
6 - Custom made systems = sad geeks with no life.
7 - Macs are months behind. Right. That's why MS and every PC maker try to blatantly rip off Apple the minute it realeases something.
8 - Life beyond 1rst... sorry that was so dumb it would be silly to comment on.
9 - Superior search facilities. But you talk about the windowing system (???) ...um, Mac's search blows windows out of the water. You should try it sometime.
10 - Safety in numbers. Wow, talk about Lemmings...
11 - Sensible support costs. Right, because for PC users, constant support to keep their machines running is a fact of life.
12 - Microsoft is on your team. Now who's drinking the cool-aid??
I feel your pain lem. Have you considered seeing someone? Anger management classes might help?:) |
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mathue
Oct 30, 2008 10:21 AM
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5 - Broadband just works
What sort of borked up Broadband modem requires one to have a PC? Granted, this may be a geographical location issue but I can't think of any good reason why a broadband modem with integral DHCP should present a problem to anyone, let alone what brand and model of computer.
3 - Thousands of decent games
For those of us with families and social lives outside of the home this seems rather a peculiar knock against the MAC. I suppose it might be of interest to a young child or an early teen but computer games in general strike me as a huge waste of time and my kids don't have the free time with homework and sports to waste it. If there's some known 'life benefit' to playing Rainbow Six I'd love to see the research. Odds are it's not going to be a bullet point on a college application or getting a good job.
12 - Microsoft’s on your team
You must be joking. Does no one have any long term memory?
Until Vista SP1 our company had a great deal of difficulty with what few Vista machines we had. The great majority of our workforce still is either on XP SP2, OS X 10.4/10.5 or for a couple of our super geeks, whatever flavour of Linux is in vogue. Currently the Intel macs have shown to be robust and reliable since we started buying them a few months after Apple switched in early 2006. As for costs, this is tricky. The Macs run XP without issue and there are a few here with the first gen Intels that run both XP and OSX on theirs. In those cases we eliminate a machine, Looking at total time needed to maintain them for our in-house IT shows they consume less of IT's resources. Enough so that our CTO chose not to outsource our IT to Mexico last year so it must have been fairly significant. (Thank God too, I sorta like our IT guys. For IT they are remarkably well grounded)
All in all, looking at this list as a longtime Windows user since Windows 2.03 (I think in 1988? It's been a long time) I'd say it's rather flawed and many of the points are a bit of a stretch. |
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
Oct 30, 2008 11:01 AM
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mathue wrote: 3 - Thousands of decent games
For those of us with families and social lives outside of the home this seems rather a peculiar knock against the MAC. I suppose it might be of interest to a young child or an early teen but computer games in general strike me as a huge waste of time and my kids don't have the free time with homework and sports to waste it. If there's some known 'life benefit' to playing Rainbow Six I'd love to see the research. Odds are it's not going to be a bullet point on a college application or getting a good job.
You could say that about sport in general. There are several gamers, most of which are not "kids". |
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zystof
Nov 3, 2008 12:14 PM
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Lol who cares about what they use in movies PC's are Better By Far!! |
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hacker16
Nov 5, 2008 3:06 PM
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have you ever seen 8gigs of memory and a processer that could light the world on fire in a MAC.NO so END OF STORY |
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propagandhi
Dec 3, 2008 11:50 AM
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This entire article was written by a complete imbecile, or maybe a collection of them. What a piece of absolute crap. Way to waste an hour or so though, making a bunch of weak assertions. |
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macsarebetter
Dec 12, 2008 2:35 PM
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get up to date PC authority, the new Mighty Mouse has 2 mouse buttons, since 2005 you can run Windows XP/Vista on a mac- so games are not limited and PCs are just full of viruses and keep chrashing GET A MAC OR ELSE |
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ENFUSIA
Dec 15, 2008 1:56 PM
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I was expecting some really powerful responses to defend Mac's against these 32 reasons. But all I thought was.........LAME!
P.S. PC's Rule! |
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
Dec 15, 2008 6:25 PM
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I've been given a MacBook from work, so I'm looking into it further with an open mind. It reminds me of Ubuntu. :P |
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Stylez
Dec 16, 2008 5:22 PM
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best article in the world =] |
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scubasteve
Dec 17, 2008 8:29 AM
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I have to say whoever wrote this is not only bias but also a retard. Before writing articles it might be worth getting facts right. |
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Stylez
Dec 17, 2008 4:35 PM
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Stop saying 'they just work' non-stop quoting from advertising campaigns shows us how smart you really are.
This site awesome too check it out ;) http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=macs_cant
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malai5
Dec 17, 2008 10:08 PM
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Why not have the best of both worlds, run Linux for your Unix "Fix", on a PC with Windows Dual booted.
Apple is just another version of Linux, anyway, (thats going to raise some flack) except it COSTS.
Cheers
Malai5
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Slatts
Dec 18, 2008 8:26 PM
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:. wrote:I've been given a MacBook from work, so I'm looking into it further with an open mind. It reminds me of Ubuntu. :P So Cybe, a holiday job before Uni or are you going straight into the job market?
malai5 wrote:Why not have the best of both worlds, run Linux for your Unix "Fix", on a PC with Windows Dual booted.
Apple is just another version of Linux, anyway, (thats going to raise some flack) except it COSTS.
Cheers
Malai5
Edited by malai5: 17/12/2008 10:11:27 PM That's just nasty mal. you know these people don't have a sense of humour.[-x |
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malai5
Dec 18, 2008 8:59 PM
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Sense of humour!
:roll:
Those who don't have a sense of humour give us the chance to exercise ours. Sort of like nature's balance :lol:
Actually it's probably not real humour, just irony.;) (Which is serious humour)
Cheers
Malai5
Edited by malai5: 18/12/2008 08:59:30 PM |
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krazikiwi
Dec 18, 2008 10:42 PM
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malai5 wrote:Apple is just another version of Linux, anyway, (thats going to raise some flack) except it COSTS.
Cheers
Malai5
Edited by malai5: 17/12/2008 10:11:27 PM
yep, it is just another linux, minus the hardware support... |
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malai5
Dec 18, 2008 11:06 PM
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Yeah, I forgot about that. Applux only supports it's own hardware. Pretty limited game that.:-k
Cheers
Malai5 |
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qt101
Dec 21, 2008 3:23 PM
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Hi All,
WOW their are some haters in here :-/ see one such quote: PCLemmings Posted: Friday, 24 October 2008 11:13:14 AM amongst some of the others... I think there is Good and Bad in all OS's.
Speaking of patches - check the latest "Patch-Macday info": http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/16/apple_patch_release/
Yeah Mac's also have security flaws - and Apple have recently gone on air stating they would recommend that their users install AV software on their systems.
So... who ever say's there are no MAC viruses out there - [tut-tut] maybe check out your facts first ;-) http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/02/apple_mac_av_advice/
All OS's have Bugs/Security Flaws/Vulnerabilities & Virus's! - the Operating Systems: that are more widely used 'will always be more exposed to threats' than those the aren't as proliferate.
I use different OS flavours and each have good and bad points. So why all the haters??? Lets be happy we have freedom of choice.
Misinformation is a shame: - why not try all before commenting with nastiness!
Btw: I also use VISTA and not had a problem with it at all. Most problems - come from those not using it the way it should be used; like with old hardware! - things not run with Admin rights etc.! [when installing older programs] - it's a good tip, to right click> when installing older progs and select [Run as Administrator] this will avoid older installation hiccups. Due to the new [User Access Control] permission, stoping some older progs/apps from installing correctly/error free. Making you believe they are unable to be installed on Vista.
:-) qt101
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
Dec 25, 2008 10:47 PM
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Slatts wrote:.:Cyb3rGlitch:. wrote:I've been given a MacBook from work, so I'm looking into it further with an open mind. It reminds me of Ubuntu. :P So Cybe, a holiday job before Uni or are you going straight into the job market?
It's a traineeship. I'm likely going to quit though, since my UAI was better than expected. |
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Slatts
Dec 25, 2008 11:44 PM
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:. wrote:Slatts wrote:.:Cyb3rGlitch:. wrote:I've been given a MacBook from work, so I'm looking into it further with an open mind. It reminds me of Ubuntu. :P So Cybe, a holiday job before Uni or are you going straight into the job market? It's a traineeship. I'm likely going to quit though, since my UAI was better than expected.
It's good to have options.:) |
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David321123
Jan 1, 2009 10:43 AM
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ummm wow you PC people. its plain and simple...PC's SUCK! when i had my PC (with vista) i had problems with it nearly every week..but then...I GOT A MAC!!!!! ive had it nearly a year and not one problem wtih it. and to people who say macs CAN get viruses, thats very true, but think about it. if you have a PC, there are MILLLIONS of viruses out there formatted JUST for PC. for mac there are very few. and if you do have a PC chances are you have Macafee. That system slows your PC down soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much it isnt even funny, but wait, macs dont need that. to skip to another point, ever try opening up 5-6 applications on a PC and then trying to open up internet explorer? takes about 2-3 minutes for it to completly come up. on a mac, no such thing. open as many applicatons as you like, still not slow. and as for the people with the price issue, seriously, mac comes with ALL basic neccesities and updates are free. with a PC, it costs to buy things like powerpoint and word and publisher. might i add that macs can run vista? i figured you guys knew, but hell, it runs much smoother than say on a PC. And one more small thing, isnt a Mac much much muuuch easier to take care of say something does go wrong with it? the apple store is so extremely nice and the people there couldnt enjoy their jobs more.
In all, PC's are a joke. and from now on and until an even better version of a computer comes out, PC will always be trying to catch up. and dont tell me i need to know the facts cause i could give a crap less. this is MY review of a mac and how much better they are than PC's.
PC's ARE THE BIGGEST JOKE EVERRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
Jan 1, 2009 10:48 AM
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I'm glad you like your Mac David321123. Perhaps if you knew how to use a PC properly, you'd enjoy both platforms. |
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malai5
Jan 1, 2009 12:44 PM
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WOW, david, that "Cool Aid" has certainly gone to your head.:shock:
I hope you can keep funding your "addiction" to the Mac fanboy "Club" because the "withdrawal" could be painfull.
Cheers
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Slatts
Jan 1, 2009 3:46 PM
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David321123 wrote:ummm wow you PC people. its plain and simple...PC's SUCK! when i had my PC (with vista) i had problems with it nearly every week..but then...I GOT A MAC!!!!! ive had it nearly a year and not one problem wtih it. and to people who say macs CAN get viruses, thats very true, but think about it. if you have a PC, there are MILLLIONS of viruses out there formatted JUST for PC. for mac there are very few. and if you do have a PC chances are you have Macafee. That system slows your PC down soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much it isnt even funny, but wait, macs dont need that. to skip to another point, ever try opening up 5-6 applications on a PC and then trying to open up internet explorer? takes about 2-3 minutes for it to completly come up. on a mac, no such thing. open as many applicatons as you like, still not slow. and as for the people with the price issue, seriously, mac comes with ALL basic neccesities and updates are free. with a PC, it costs to buy things like powerpoint and word and publisher. might i add that macs can run vista? i figured you guys knew, but hell, it runs much smoother than say on a PC. And one more small thing, isnt a Mac much much muuuch easier to take care of say something does go wrong with it? the apple store is so extremely nice and the people there couldnt enjoy their jobs more.
In all, PC's are a joke. and from now on and until an even better version of a computer comes out, PC will always be trying to catch up. and dont tell me i need to know the facts cause i could give a crap less. this is MY review of a mac and how much better they are than PC's.
PC's ARE THE BIGGEST JOKE EVERRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wow david!!!!!!!!!!!! You've like totally sold me!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I totally agree it's a muuuuuuuuuuuuuch better idea to send your laptop to the manufacturer to get the battery changed. Wow!!!! internet explorer!!!!!!!!!!!! I didn't know people still used that!!!!!!!!!!!! OpenOffice.org!!!!!!!!!! Just thought I'd drop that in cause it's sooooooooooooooooooooooooo free. I'm so pleased to hear that all those nasty things I've read about the apple stores are untrue.
Hay, and happy new year everyone.:d
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maclover
Jan 13, 2009 7:04 AM
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I am going to go through and tell why each of these first 12 reasons is bogus...maybe later I will move on to more of them, when I have time... 1-each update costs $199, for a 5-user package...so if each new OS comes out every year, then you pay $40 per year for a new OS...that is probably less than you pay for 1 year of anti-virus, which macs do not need. So you get a new OS every year, and that $200 for the new Windows OS every 4 years is not needed. 2-these prices are so outdated...in the low-quality systems, PC can out-do Mac...however, in systems that cost over $1000, your Mac computer will cost less and have more features than your average PC...that expensive processor on Mac computers comes free, but is very costly on a PC...even though they are quite comparable in prices, your Mac system has much higher quality components, and will last much longer. 3-So there are no decent games for Mac? Look again...on the Apple website you can buy tons of Mac games, such as Call of Duty 2, Call of Duty 4, Medal of Honor, Doom, Age of Empires 3, Madden NFL, Tiger Woods PGA Tour, Command and Conquer, World of Warcraft, Battlefield 2142, Tradewinds Legends, The Sims 2, FATE, Guitar Hero, Star Wars Battlefront, Monopoly, Chessmaster, Need For Speed Carbon, and many more. 4-So your grandma can run it? right. But you still cannot complain about the mouse. The new trackpad is amazing, and if you want to, you can make it a 2-button mouse, but I sure wouldn't. 5-Mac computers have problems finding an ISP? Mac computers can pick up on most ISPs, but as far as High-Speed connections go (which 98% of the population uses), Mac computers have no problems whatsoever. 6-only 3 mac computer?...I counted 6, and each of those is customizable to whatever specifications that you want. The reason why Mac computers don't say "for home", "for Office", "for gaming", and so on, is because Macs were made to do it all. Just look at what you want to do, and customize your style of system to it. 7-Months Behind? what a lie! Mac computers are soooo far ahead of PCs!! Apple has the thinnest notebook on the market, the fastest desktop on the market, the most graphically advanced notebook on the market, the longest battery notebook on the market, extreme touchpads, incredible designs, great processors, high-speed RAM, solid-state drives, totally advanced all-in-ones, and the best and most reliable Operating System on the market. behind technology? think again! 8-outdated after January 1st? no way! Unlike PCs, Mac computers do not become out-dated for several years. Even though new technology made it so that your computer is outdated, your computer will still run the newest Operating system for years to come. Unlike all of those 512 MB RAM systems that became outdated because of Vista, Mac computers from 2005 can still run the newest Mac OS. 9-superior searching? yes, in Mac computers. Safari is the best and fastest web browser on the market, besides the fact that you have Finder, which not only leaves Windows search far behind, but it also can perform calculations. 10-Safety in numbers? Apple would never, ever, for any reason drop the Mac OS!! Windows sucks, and that is final!! Mac OS is the most compatible system only because of the fact that they wanted to make everything compatible. By making everything compatible, they number of systems which they sell on a monthly basis is growing incredibly fast. 11-The prices are wrong, and the service is superb! Mac support is excellent, but is hardly ever needed. It also costs at max $350 ($240 for students), and that is on the most expensive on the Apple notebooks. This includes 3 years of service, and from the time the system leaves your home to the time in which it returns is rarely over a week. Lets compare that to HP and Dell warranties. Your 3 year HP warranty costs between $300 and $370. I know from experience that it takes HP between 4 and 8 weeks to return a product. (It has taken up to 3 months, which is better than Toshiba's 8-16 weeks!!) Dell warranties are by far better than HP or Toshiba's. Dell's 3 year warranty costs $300, and there time from your home and back to your home is about 1 week, which is very comparable to Apple. 12-Microsoft is on your team? who wants that? So what, you get MS Office 2007 for $150, well, we get iWork '08, and now iWork '09, for only $80. That is not counting the fact that iWork is so much better than MS Office. Who wants Microsoft on their team? not me, I would rather stick with my friends at Apple. I am now done with reasons 1-12 on why Mac is better than PC ;) I have not always been a Mac lover...I have been a PC user for 8 years, and am very experienced at using all types of PCs, different brands, different programs, different Operating Systems, and different computer types. I recently became a Mac person, and I still have a Windows XP, Windows Vista, and a Linux, so I can see how the different systems compare to each other. Mac TOTALLY OWNS all of the other systems, in every feature, speed, and program.
PC's ARE THE BIGGEST JOKE EVERRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!! I totally agree with David!! Mac ROCKS!!!! |
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flaky
Feb 20, 2009 1:48 AM
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I like both platforms, this article is quite dishonest though and I don't think people should rely on disinformation when making their purchasing decisions. I'll continue on debunking the points here starting at 13. IMHO, most people will feel comfortable using PCs if that's what they're used to. Microsoft is releasing better and better products and their new operating systems are almost as good as OS X in terms of usability and value. If you want to try a Mac, it's an expensive jump, and it will interfere with your comfort level until you get used to it. The upside is better hardware and your mac will continue to run without issue or slowdown for years. It will also keep its value and you can sell it for much more than a PC when you upgrade or move on. I think Macs are best for home use, and Windows is better for business. The best of all worlds is virtualization, but it's expensive and unrealistic for most folks.
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13 - Black’s still the new black ...the problem of your IT equipment becoming a fashion accessory.
--- First off, I hear PC folks constantly complaining about their equipment compared to others, this point is filler and applies to both platforms.
14 - The CD-ROM has an eject button ...And what happens on those occasions when the Mac refuses to open the disc drawer?
--- That's because the volume is mounted and in use. On a PC, you can remove the volume and hope the software can handle it. On a Mac, you have to stop using the volume before removing it. I don't see an advantage in the PC method.
15 - No confusing version numbers ...Here are the operating system requirements for Apple’s iLife 06 suite: “Mac OS X v10.3.9 or v10.4.3 or later; v10.4.4 recommended.” ...Even the most complicated Windows system requirements will only specify a service pack.
--- Google DLL hell. Apple providing point releases and using them is beneficial to IT folks. Microsoft uses Service Packs, but updates the system almost every tuesday and gives no easy method of knowing the state of the OS between SP numbers.
16 - What the hell was that? [Apple] decided that a simple PC-like “beep” from the hardware to indicate the successful start of the boot process wasn’t annoying enough. Instead, it substituted the most appalling metallic clanging noise you’ve ever heard. And you can’t turn it off unless you mute the whole machine before you shut it down. Classy.
--- This is clutching at straws, it's called a POST beep, it means the BIOS tests of the hardware succeeded. Many PC MBs have it as well. Turning of PC post beeps is harder than turning off Mac POST beeps, btw.
17 - Cheap OEM versions www.engit.com.au, is selling Vista Home Premium OEM for $150.40, which makes it more than $48.60 cheaper than the latest version of Mac OS X.
--- Newegg.com is selling OSX Tiger for $130, with docs and support, asenashop.com sells five licenses for 134.99 ($27 ea). You can install and reinstall and move your OS around without 'reactivation'.
18 - Far better media capability ... Windows Media Center is now built into Vista Home Premium and Ultimate, and turns your PC into a very effective personal video recorder, with its excellent onscreen television guide and the option to record all the episodes in a series. Apple’s Front Row, on the other hand, doesn’t offer any television features – in fact, it’s little more than a flashy front end for its iTunes software.
--- MacMini with EyeTV comes with HDMI, runs silently, and is much more attractive in a media center. Oh yeah, costs less too. The author is right in that Apple doesn't offer a good PVR solution themselves, but there are many options available.
19 - IT support expertise When it comes to the workplace, Windows is the predominant OS by a mile ....there’s an army of support professionals out there with vast experience of making it work. ...you don’t need an MBA to spot the smart investment.
--- LOL, my company has ~60 Macs, ~20 *nix servers and ~30 Windows PCs. Our IT staff = 3 Windows IT soldiers and 1 Apple tech. OTOH, I thanks my lucky stars that PCs are difficult to work with, as it provides income for an army of support professionals, including me sometimes. As you say, "you don’t need an MBA to spot the smart investment."
20 - Not so insecure ...to suggest, as it does, that your PC is at risk from more than 100,000 viruses, is ludicrous.
--- they're doing what you're doing, exaggerating. It is true that a windows PC without virus protection is extremely vulnerable to attack. It is true that a Mac without virus oprotection is not very vulnerable to attack. It is true that it isn't difficult to protect a PC from attack, they leave that stuff out, just like you leave out the Mac mini with Eyetv as a PVR option, or the fact that OS X is cheaper than Vista if you look for competetive pricing for both platforms. I agree it's ludicrous.
21 - Copious amount of freeware --- Find a piece of freeware on downloads.com that doesn't have an analog for the Mac, and that isn't relegated to cleaning up your Registry :) and you may have a point.
22 - What is it with Steve Jobs? ...he decided to upbraid the music industry for its addiction to DRM with a public statement on Apple’s website ... despite the fact that Apple has successfully locked people into the iPod upgrade cycle by applying its own proprietary DRM.
--- Wow, Jobs complains that the Music Industry forces it to use DRM and you blame them for using DRM that the music industry forces them to use.
23 - The menu is where? ...the menu bar for any given application is at the top of the screen.
--- Interfacce Consistency is one of Apple's goals, they don't always succeed, but at least they try.
24 - Full selection of peripherals
-- True, but with a 10% OS share (probably higher) and climbing, more vendors will invest in the lucrative Mac software market. |
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Lost-Benji
Feb 20, 2009 8:52 AM
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ROFL, gotta love watching lovers of the "Rottern Apple" get all touchy. |
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Eddy
Mar 5, 2009 7:38 PM
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Features of the system take them on the peak even that,s the pc or anyother |
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sotong
Mar 16, 2009 11:22 AM
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Hey this is so bizarre & spooky. While I am still reading this article, hangs off keyboard & mouse, my DVD-rom ejected it's tray on its own! I have just finished the section about the "CD Rom eject button" & it happened! Can someone tell me please what's going on? |
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sotong
Mar 16, 2009 11:23 AM
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Oops type error...should be "hands off my keyboard & mouse" |
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Roobok
Mar 30, 2009 2:36 AM
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I've seldom, if ever, heard anyone mention keyboards when it comes to PCs versus Macs.
The Mac's keyboard is the most laughably ugly product in the world of computing. In the computing world we are incredibly fortunate to have so many keyboards to choose from... basic, gaming, multimedia, and ergonomic. I'm lucky to have one that's whisper quiet to the touch, and for this reason alone I would find it hard to choose anything else.
Mac keyboards, however, are so laughably ugly that I can't understand why the Staff writers could possibily argue that "There still isn’t a PC maker on the planet that can hold a candle to Apple when it comes to product design". That's if they were refering to the look of the Mac and not other design aspects. I've looked at them over the years, and played around with them. Apple may think they have been clever with their changing designs, but they're always so cheap and nasty.
The M2452, which came out in 1998 made of translucent plastic. The first was 'Bondi blue', then came the darker gray, and the five fruit-coloured range. Somehow I can't see how fruit colours would work in any office environment, and yes, there are businesses which maked use of Macs.
When I first saw the A1048, I was surprised. There was still no change to the ergonomics (or lack thereof), the keys still clicked like a woman wearing stilletos on a marble floor, and it didn't give the impression of class.
I haven't seen the ultra thin A1242 and its wireless brother which come with the new iMac, so I will reserve judgement. |
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spottydog
Apr 3, 2009 7:28 AM
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I would ask these questions:
Who has the greatest market share? Which OS is easier to use and learn? How much does it cost to repair a PC versus Mac? How many PC versus Mac repairers are in your local area? What 3rd party software is available for each platform?
When you answer these questions, you will know why the PC will always be the majority and not the minority.
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bugmenot
Apr 26, 2009 12:40 AM
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well i would rather bite an apple than a PC. I used apple when oregon trail was the lastest game . and it sucked. apple is to pc like english is to chinese. backwards. |
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Unknown_101
May 6, 2009 6:22 PM
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Goodies use Macs, Baddies use PCs???
WTF??? how dose this have anything to do with the dam computer????
Mods don’t rule
frankly my last tower had a water cooled cpu, a few led's showing off the goodies inside, as well as a nice LCD stat despaly at the front and always got something along the lines of 'holy shit, thats cool' but when i showed them i had a new iPod, they simply said so do i....yeh....
Triple booting? umm i have a pc running atm that takes the place of 4 servers (given the pc is a monster) but i dont know what that was ment to say.... |
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wheelnut53
May 20, 2009 4:48 AM
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Gotta love it! I counted down till a Mac user came in and nit pick . Face it if you cant tweak your toy whats the use . Both are computers one is simple the other one isn't case closed. |
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twoworlds
Jun 3, 2009 3:13 PM
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that wouldn't happen to be a shiny new MacBook on the latest issue of PC Authority would it? |
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Slatts
Jun 3, 2009 7:57 PM
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twoworlds wrote:that wouldn't happen to be a shiny new MacBook on the latest issue of PC Authority would it? Oh! My God! Say it isn't so[-o< [-o< |
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zeOmegaBoyo
Jun 6, 2009 4:17 AM
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bishodante from the very start takes great efforts to appear young and "savy". All-knowing as sort of side effect of being "young." Thus even his way of posting is like a mac ad campaign, so he can leave readers like this O.O. However most of what he said is hot air, just like "the cloud" his head is "all about", haha take that mactard. "It's all about the iphone?" Bringing unrelated products into this conversation much? The "all about the" is very annoying and manipulative.
Actually he doesn't really say much of anything, but acts like he does, to make you "feel" not "think" he's right. Interesting, a study showed that's exactly how mac ad campaigns run. He even tries to get into unix (for the intimidation factor) which he most likely doesn't use. The warez scene, well it's true u'll never b l33t on a mac, not that I ever care about shet lyk that. I'm not trying to out-do someone based on superficial things.
Point blank, when you see what I create and compare it to what you create, you will know the difference is not based on what tools I use, it's based on the fact that I am a creative genius, and you are not. And I chose to use a PC. So stop this bs of judging people's ability based on tool's that aren't different enough to make or break a genius. That IS what annoys me about Macintosh and it's cult.
bishopdante did u lyk that pwn cake? Silly noob
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Slatts
Jun 6, 2009 9:20 AM
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I just re-read bishopdantes posts and yes, it does read like he/she was typing one handed. I think you've wasted your accelerant though Omega. bishopdante left the building after desecrating it in August last year... Still, good luck with your creating.:) |
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Nick9999
Oct 7, 2009 3:08 AM
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I have been using a PC for about 6 years various types and most recently notebooks, one an IBM T40 and a french designed HP NX 6120, basically I lost stacks of money and the machines whenever there was a problem would need tpo be shut down so the machines wouldnt lose all the files. One serious problem I had was with the pc cillin and Norton antiviruses which the makers would funnel personal information about my usage and websites I have visited and deliver it to sopme religious organisations to use in all different ways. I am not prejudiced, vut I do feel violated that such an organisations (any) can abuse the rights of those who pay to keep their families safe. That is not all anyway because the PC is a piece of shit and Now I have discovered macs I would never go back to PCs again, Its LOL funny to see how they had so many people across the world fooled and the garbage tips in china have nearly poisoned all the local populations, My mate just got $400 for a clamshell, If you were lucky it might be possible to get $50 for an acer 400mhz. the acer would not still work on the internet but the mac still does. As far as I can see all you PC people should take a look around the corner at whats coming. I like the comment NO BS get your act together! |
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Slatts
Oct 7, 2009 10:21 PM
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LOL bloody troll.:^o |
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pcversusmac
Oct 13, 2009 8:12 AM
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It is not fair to compare pcs and macs as it is likely comparing oranges with apples. Some people like oranges than apples vice versa. But because of features, reliability, the needs of people for using either PC and Mac , we can make an analogy like this:
Having PC is like having an ordinary car like toyota, honda, etc where people can afford and have lots of models to choose for and having Mac is like driving and having a luxury car such as: Lexus, BMW , Audi etc where they are dearer and pricer both for cost of buying them and maintenance. However in the long run, if you sell your luxury car, say in 10 years, you get more of it and they are more reliable and last longer than cheap cars.
Those who have money, I think they can justify buy apples as much as luxury cars than PC or toyota. Importantly you can not blame them for not liking toyota or pc as they like the features and stabilities of apples.
I have my lexus IS-F, and it will never be for me to come back and drive any ordinary cars such as: honda, etc no matter how cheap they are. They will not have the same comfortability and safety as the ones found in luxury cars. |
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ksnetsolution
Oct 19, 2009 5:40 PM
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Macs have, for some reason, have never been very good to gamers -- games on the Mac have largely been an afterthought while Microsoft is balls-deep in its Xbox experiment.
Read more: http://www.esquire.com/the-side/opinion/why-macs-suck#ixzz0UMUIsFM8
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krazikiwi
Oct 19, 2009 7:05 PM
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Has anyone here ever compared warranties between a mac and say, a lenovo? Difference is amazing. This is just one of the reasons I like PCs. Now that mac use intel processors, they are just pc's in a shiny wrapper. As for what pcversusmac was saying, prestige is something special. No other will ever be as good as the expensive one if you have lots of money and listen too closely to salespeople... The only reason macs don't like games, is that most games are written for windows, because most people use windows. MacOS is a *nix operating system (or BSD, I'm not sure), and to start with, it won't play with .exe files. They also don't have a registry for the games to grab info from, and use a different file system. Some popular games do get ported to mac, but only if there is a HUGE market for it.
Oh, and to nick9999, the acer 400mhz is probably a wee bit older than that clam shell. In fact I find it unlikely that it even has a built-in NIC, which WOULD make it just a little difficult to use todays internet hardware... |
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retta1
Oct 19, 2009 9:33 PM
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What difference does it make! Seriously, some people like to play games and some dont. Some people like macs and some dont. end of story. I like to play games and so have a pc. When i upgrade my boyfriends lappie it will be to a mac, for a couple of reasons 1: that it comes with software that with a pc you have to pay and so by the time you actually pay for all the software needed or wanted on your pc it is roughly the same damned price as a mac! 2: In a couple of years when i again upgrade the pc to play the next game that i really really want the mac will still be there and hopefully last longer that the lappie i currently ahve. 3: nothing against laptops but when something in incased in half steel and half plastic then the mac is full steel and we travel it makes the mac a little more sturdier! AND yes i have ACTUALLY gone and checked out and done my research on them and not listened to salesmen!!!! that is provided that you actually do pay and not use free/share/open ware and dont pirate stuff! There and now i have broken my silence and my self-respect, as i said i wouldn't respond to this stupidity and I have!:roll: |
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krazikiwi
Oct 20, 2009 5:44 PM
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lolz. don't spoil the fun... you are right though, it doesn't matter, and the two are about as comparable as windows and linux anyway... hey, why don't we start windows vs. linux match in another thread, that could be fun. |
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Slatts
Oct 21, 2009 1:47 PM
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Linux is rubbish! windoz for the win!:twisted:
Er.. just kidding...8-[
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retta1
Oct 21, 2009 2:16 PM
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krazikiwi you're on! One thing tho, never had much to do with linux. on the old spare comp i am putting on ubuntu and giving it ago tho. should be interesting!:-k i will add another comment; what game can you get on xbox that you cant for ps say. xbox is just another ms in a box and no keyboard. |
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krazikiwi
Oct 21, 2009 6:26 PM
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I'm pretty sure you could hook a keyboard up to an X-box and install XP on it. or linux. |
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madeinUSA
Oct 27, 2009 9:16 PM
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There are more qualitative software for them. |
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Slatts
Oct 27, 2009 9:35 PM
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madeinUSA wrote:There are more qualitative software for them. qualitative madein? or quantitative? |
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pizzaman552
Nov 18, 2009 6:28 AM
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HAHA i love mac's number 7 reason. They tested macs top of the line computer against PC "conventional" one and some how concluded that because their best computer is better then PC's normal one that all Macs are better then PCs |
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oscarcharliezulu
Dec 1, 2009 1:52 AM
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I'm a very long term Windows user, experienced over the years on mainframe, unix, os2, dos, gem, cpm, and even mac back in 1985 on an old fat mac. After using Vista Ultimate for a while on my shiny new C2D with 4GB, and not being happy with the performance compared to XP or 2000 Pro... I decided to try out OSX (i.e. a "Hackintosh" install). Compared to Vista, boot times are fast, shutdown even faster. Office for Mac is fine, and Firefox and Thunderbird more than good enough. And for web development it is excellent with all the built in UNIX capabilities like SSH and FTP that you need built in. In reality I found that the OSX OS did everything I needed. Problem with a Hackintosh was it would not update easily (at the time, things are better now)... so I bought a cheap mac mini on ebay. And who said Macs arent upgradable - in fact it is the challenge that makes it worthwhile. I upgraded the Mac Mini 1.66GHZ to a C2D 2GHZ, ram to 2GB, disk to 500GB 7200rpm and the little thing flies under Snow Leopard. Hardware upgrade took all of 30 minutes. I am now looking at the iPhone dev kit and its a lot of fun messing around with. I'd have to say, unless you are a gamer, the Mac is a perfectly good "pc" that can handle anything anyone really needs. In fact, I think the ease of use is fantastic and I will suggest to my parents to move from the old hand-me-down PC I got them years ago to a mac - I really think with a mac they will get a lot more out of their computing experience. And seriously, if you havent tried the platform - whether it is Win, OSX, Linux, you should reserve judgement - for me the joy of computing is the discovery and use of new and unique software and hardware. So now my working machines are a Win7 and a Mac and it is the best of both worlds. |
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gregzeng
Dec 11, 2009 9:58 PM
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Long running discussion here! The Mac users I know are: 1) $$ RICH; 2) Self-important arrogant; 3) Ultra-status chasing; 4) Use computers nil or minimally; 5) Outsource and purchase any misunderstandings, ignorances, repairs, etc; 6) Are thechnophobes.
The best example I know is the most powerful government department in the biggest state in Australia - the Public Service Board of N.S.W. for status reasons alone, they status-plushed their offices with "artistic", ultra-expensive Apples. Of course, since they were so superior & senior, hardcopy, face-to-face & dictaphone was what they really used. Not sure how much this waste of government money contributed to the poverty (in EVERY way) of the N.S.W. government. |
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Slatts
Dec 12, 2009 10:53 AM
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Looks like you're not in a hurry for this thread to die greg? Such comments are sure to ensure at least a few more comments. BTW, NSW is the third smallest state. Tazzy, Vic, NSW. Admittedly, it is the most over populated. |
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Joe22c
Dec 12, 2009 12:26 PM
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That was a well written compelling list of reasons.
Perhaps another indicator of whether or not PCs are "better" than Macs lies in the demographics.
First off I'd like to mention that my older brother, who has his master's degree in computer sciences and was top of his faculty in his undergrad AND my best friend who is currently doing his undergrad in computer engineering both agree that PCs are superior to Macs.
In contrast, one of my friends in an ARTS program feels vehemently that Macs are better. Hmm. What do you think?
Also. Whenever there's a debate erupting in facebook re: PCs vs MACs, someone should first create a set of criteria defining what constitutes an idiotic, childlike, immature post (bad grammar, faulty logic, too many exclamation marks) then proceed to count how many mac-users and how many PC-users make said posts. |
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Slatts
Dec 12, 2009 8:23 PM
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Joe22c wrote: someone should first create a set of criteria defining what constitutes an idiotic, childlike, immature post (bad grammar, faulty logic, too many exclamation marks) then proceed to count how many mac-users and how many PC-users make said posts.
Come on joe. you want us to alienate some of our most prolific contributors?!
:-k :lol:
edit: tidied up edit of quote.
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XDMoose
Dec 21, 2009 5:21 PM
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linuxonmac wrote:32 reasons for those who don't know better. I don't know about adds but I use both, PC and Mac and comparing them is just not fair - PC is soooo inferior. The only advantage PC has over Mac is number of programs available for it. About G5 being inferior to Intel for years - how did you test it? And what about Cell chip from IBM? Intel will get there in 4-5 years. Maybe. It would be interesting if author of this article try to spec PC similar to the biggest 24" iMac (including monitor). And by the way - how many monitors (any size) can compare in quality to iMac? Not many. I doubt he would be able to beat the price. Let's forget about look as that would be too much to ask from gray box manufacturers. Oh yes I said I use PC as well - XP is fired up from time to time but Linux Mint is main resident on that machine. 3D desktop included and multiple workspaces of course - Windows will get there in next decade hopefully. Comment made about the PC Authority article: 32 Reasons why PCs are Better than Macs? Apple’s ads may be funny, but they’re woefully inaccurate. Here we reveal dozens of reasons why the PC outclasses the Mac.What do you think? Join the discussion. He's right and the programs are mainly games |
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Slatts
Dec 21, 2009 8:28 PM
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I'm glad you've found a kindred spirit Moose.
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PublicBarScrote
Mar 8, 2010 9:25 PM
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well people , no matter what u buy, Bill gates is getting paid. because he own part of Apple. LOOk it up |
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Slatts
Mar 8, 2010 9:43 PM
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PublicBarScrote wrote:well people , no matter what u buy, Bill gates is getting paid. because he own part of Apple. LOOk it up
So...
this is news?
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Mal Content
Apr 7, 2010 7:45 PM
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As a sysadmin with over 12 years of experience. I consider the best use of a Mac is to keep a pack of morons off PCs. |
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Mettalic_ank
Apr 8, 2010 3:18 PM
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Here is one:
Raw Speed : Windows PCs have a serious edge here. Where time is money, processor speed can be very important. Regardless of how hard Mac advertising attempts to claim that the slower clock speed Macs are really just as fast as a PC, it just ain't so and proven so by every bench test out there. If you have the "need for speed" in gaming, software development, 3D rendering and other applications, Windows is the clear winner here. |
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chinaronald
Apr 18, 2010 6:32 PM
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Can you please show me the interview or video where apple states "it isn’t interested in touchscreen technology." I just want to know so that i know it's not something you took out of nowhere |
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Bozo01
Apr 21, 2010 10:31 AM
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I wonder how many games will be available to buy on Steam for Mac? |
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patrick555556
Apr 23, 2010 4:56 PM
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hahhahahahah you PC users i have a school windows laptop and a family imac Mac osx is easier to use by far in that aspect there not even comparable Macs have heaps of programs i always uuse my mac and i never found a program not for mac. the reason macs are more expensive is cause what there made from top quality wires and and shit and titanium steel frame not plastic crap like EVERY pc . thats why there a bit dearer coz they use the best stuff not cz apple wants to make them expensive abusive and miss-spelled expletives deleted. macs are faster coz the OSX was made For the computer not thecomputer which can run the OS. Games are for xboxes and PS3s not computers they can be used but if u want to argue the games aspect we will slink off and play our console.
Edit by Slatts: childish expletives removed or modified and poster suspended. I'm sure Apple people can come up with more grown up flaming than this.:-k
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Schprocket
May 28, 2010 6:50 PM
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Time to update this three-year-old article.
And why is it "Apple" people and "PC" people?
And don't forget the "Linux" people who slip between the cracks...
Why is it that is always comes down to a moronic p*ssing contest like Ford v Holden, PS3 v 360 instead of highlighting the virtues and pitfalls with every system ?
All this type of 'report' provokes, in jest as it may be. is the typical fan-boy drivel seen here over the last three years.
I've worked, tinkered, built and operated PCs under all three OSs. There's things I like and things I don't. If I was still gaming, I'd be into Windows but I'm more into editing and recording music so I find myself favouring OSX although there's some good Windows apps. Linux I'd love to get a handle on but they generally insist on naming apps in some CLI-executable-friendly manner which can be confusing (how WIndows makes us 'old-hands' soft, eh? :) ... ).
Microsoft earns kudos (begrudgingly :) ) because their OSs have to be able to run on a wide variety of hardware permutations. Linux is similar but earns its kudos freely because the majority of the fixes are made by the users themselves. Discounting the continuing Darwin project and it's affinity to OSX, OSX only has to operate on a relatively 'narrow' set of hardware, thus ensuring a higher degree of _certainty_ that OSX won't fail due to a 'lethal cocktail' of potentially mis-matched components which bring about BSODs as a result of low-level driver-conflict, or even board-level conflicts which only come to light when 'taxing' a boards resources.
On the hardware front, the 'balance of power' when it comes to peripherals always favours the Windows platform. It's hard to beat an operating system that's practically given away with a PC. Even today, I doubt most newbie PC consumers are aware that Windows isn't an integral part of the computer.
With that hardware, inevitably there are drivers which must be loaded and this can also be a constant source of headache.
When peripherals start to get to the 'serious' end of town however, particularly with audio equipment, things start to get interesting. It comes as one helluva shock to open up a package and find all of this Windows software and drivers and barely anything in the box for OSX. And you find that inevitably, your Windows driver CD, which will work on systems from 2000 to Win7 but only 32-bit versions, will be anywhere from one to twenty revisions out, dependent on how long the device has been sitting on the shelf. However, that peripheral may have also been designed with OSX Core Audio. Consequently, you'll get the OSX version of whatever the main app was which came with the hardware, plug the device in, and it just works. Go to Audio/MIDI preferences, set-up what you want, and away you go. You can even create an aggregate Audio device so there's no need to throw out the old device if it still works; you can simply combine the I/O of all units in whatever fashion you see fit. Try doing that in Windows...
Anyway, as I said, time to lock this thread, throw away the key, and write a new article comparing all of the operating system platforms on a wide variety of applications (audio, video), not just gaming, office apps, and CD/DVD ripping...
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pawzlion
Jun 4, 2010 5:49 PM
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"the pick of which are a new “Finder”, a way to see all your open windows at once, and bundled video-messaging software. God knows how insignificant the other 147 were.".
Wait. Finder is the file system explorer. How you could you NOT know that ? You would expect even the most ignorant windows user would know this. Let alone a journalist. But then you go on to describe Expose, referring to it as Finder. And then go on to admit that you didn't even bother reading what the rest of the improvements were ! My GOD, your ignorance and lack of journalistic skill knows no bounds, does it ? I won't even both trying to educate you on on the MASSIVE kernel and subsystem changes that go into every new OSX release be it would obviously go straight over your head. I stopped reading your drivel after the above quote and skipped straight to the comments to read the hysterical laughter of the mac users. You don't deserve to be a journalist. I don't think you're intelligent enough to collect my garbage. |
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biohead
Jun 10, 2010 3:42 PM
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PC is still better than Mac but for now. |
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curtisglover
Jun 14, 2010 5:33 AM
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Try the Internet with no firewall experiment! http://www.thegeekpub.com/641/macs-rule/
See how long the Windows PC lasts. The Mac still hasn't been compromised! |
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Slatts
Jun 14, 2010 5:48 PM
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Only a fool or a nub would be browsing without some form of firewall curtisglover.
Doesn't matter what OS you're using.
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xxvaderxx8
Jun 29, 2010 7:34 PM
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My main reasons why pcs are better than macs
1- Mac people dont shut the f*** up about how great their macs are, and pc people really don't give a s*** but eventually have a mental breakdown and start yelling "I DON'T F***ING CARE!!!! OKAY!!!!"
2-If you are a gamer, buisnessman (or buisnesswoman) or even a lowlife hacker pc is the way to go, it supports the best grapics, has the best buisness software and the most viruses are made on it :D
3- Macs are f***ing ridiculous for pricing.
Those are only three randomly picked ones from my list |
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Slatts
Jun 29, 2010 8:13 PM
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xxvaderxx8 wrote:My main reasons why pcs are better than macs
1- Mac people dont shut the f*** up about how great their macs are, and pc people really don't give a s*** but eventually have a mental breakdown and start yelling "I DON'T F***ING CARE!!!! OKAY!!!!"
2-If you are a gamer, buisnessman (or buisnesswoman) or even a lowlife hacker pc is the way to go, it supports the best grapics, has the best buisness software and the most viruses are made on it :D
3- Macs are f***ing ridiculous for pricing.
Those are only three randomly picked ones from my list
No no,don't hold back xxvaderxx8.
Tell us what you really think.:)
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lawrence_o
Jul 7, 2010 6:19 PM
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Windows explorer wins handsdown from finder. Hahaha? That's a laugh dude. windows needed untill Vista before it offered indexed searches! As |
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lawrence_o
Jul 7, 2010 6:28 PM
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Windows explorer wins handsdown from finder. Hahaha? That's a laugh dude. windows needed untill Vista before it offered indexed searches! As a developer, searching for libraries, I am 50% more productive at least working on the mac as compared to the windows machine. Take into account that mac has built in Unix support, which is widely used in professional environments, the Mac again has 1 plus over the PC. Oh and did I mention the widgets? Again something that took windows a few years to copy. Ok I know Mac also stole the idea but anyway. How about OS efficiency and performance? True, the PC may offer a faster CPU more quickly and cheaper. Then again, My 4 years old Mac still beats a 2 year old Dell starting up, booting up JBOSS app server and in multitasking. Why? Because OSX consumes wayyy less system resources than windows does. Hence it needs less hardware power to be equally fast. THen there is the workflow. In windows, go to the conrol panel and try to find the right icon amongst the zillion in there. Mac System panel is easy to overview, easy to manage. You need way less mouse-clicks to get where you want to be. Vista is more like a combination of a zillion features and things to be sure they have it all, making the OS insanely heavy, totally user-unfriendly while 90% of the people will use only 30% of them all. OSX is the opposite. They include only those features which 90% of all of us will ever use. For the things missing, there's always a work around or a third-party app somewhere... Configurability of the PC: true. You could install a 3000USD graphics board to cope with your 200USD medium quality flat screen, overdoing it really bad and wasting a lot of money. Apple know what graphics board is more than adequate for that screen. One more thing. My Macbook Pro is 4 years old. Thanks to the update to snow leopard it became faster then at the day I baught it. Try that with windows. Mac isn't perfect though. 10.6.3 was a total screw up. Safari crashed with a LOT of flash sites. Even now it sometimes still does. On the other hand, websites look like shit on IE8 and predecessors whereas they look awesome on Chrome/Safari/Firefox. So much for the windows experience. |
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blockcentre
Jul 7, 2010 11:07 PM
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lawrence_o, perhaps your Mac can help you with paragraphs so that people will actually bother to read your rants?
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rubaiyat
Jul 8, 2010 1:12 PM
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I was puzzled by the "comparison".
If I am getting it right you were doing all your testing with the Mac running Windows 7? Then comparing that to PCs also using Windows 7?
How about making the PCs Hackintoshes and testing them running Mac OSX 10.6 to even things up. Or more logically test software such as Photoshop, Cinema 4D, mp3 RIPs, video extraction conversion, games etc running natively on both platforms.
How about running Ubuntu on both? There you have exactly like with like.
The whole point of Macs is not how well they imitate a platform that Mac users consider inferior, but how well they perform similar tasks.
The reviewers reveal considerable ignorance, such as mentioning that the point of distinction of the PCs vs the iMac is touchscreen, WiFi and Bluetooth. Certainly the 1st (on some machines) but every iMac has come with the last 2 by default since I can remember, which is a long way back, and mostly before PCs. Also not every PC has WiFi and Bluetooth and you can get Macs with touchscreens.
The absence of Firewire or HDMI on the PCs got no mention.
Overall I thought the comparison was considerably shallow and largely along the line of Macs are different (in some ways for the better) and strange because of that. Oddly from a Mac User's perspective it is Windows that is the one that is different and failing desperately to catch up. Since history shows that it is Windows doing the copying, the later has more merit IMHO. There also seems to be a general design clumsiness in Windows that we can't seem to quite match on the Mac.
I do agree with a few points.
1. Apple's obsession with springing new technology at intervals, lets it grab the lead for a while then fall behind because of the lack of constant progressive hardware updates. This is compensated for by Apple doing the exact opposite with the Operating System. Issuing far more updates and then incrementally improving those for free.
2. I do think the Dock is a dumb idea, but I have learnt to live with it or use alternate methods/software. This is hardly an advantage for Windows though as W7 has tried to copy it in a limp sort of way.
3. The absence of USB 3.0 and Bluray on the Mac are the price we pay for Apple making some major decisions in their own self interest. However given the distinct practical superiority of Firewire 800 over the paper "superiority" of USB 2.0, I am always skeptical of PC claims until they actually demonstrate them.
To sum up, this Mac vs PC article sadly did nothing to advance the debate at all.
I could have written this off the top of my head and without the obvious errors and omissions. |
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rubaiyat
Jul 8, 2010 1:31 PM
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@PublicBarScrote:"well people , no matter what u buy, Bill gates is getting paid. because he own part of Apple. LOOk it up"
Guess that sums up the average PC, can't spell, hasn't a clue about grammar and has heard some "facts" once upon a time and keeps repeating them to unfortunately let everyone know just how little they know.
PublicBarScrote, follow your own advice. Actually "LOOk it up", don't pretend that you have.
As for the old "Macs have viruses too, but are inferior because they don't have the incredible choice that Windows users have": Name them. Then name anyone who has actually got one.
I can't recall any of the countless people I know who have switched to Macs saying "Macs suck, I really miss the 10s of thousands of viruses, trojans, spyware, adware and nasty foul mouthed poorly educated PC users." |
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cinderellachic
Aug 9, 2010 11:46 PM
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Hi, just thought you should know, i spent forever registering on this site just to comment 2 let you know how much of an idiot you are! And I quote: "World of Warcraft (yawn), Crazy Machines: The Wacky Contraptions Game (What the?!) and The Sims II – a two-year-old title designed for loners who need imaginary friends to compensate for the lack of actual people in their pitiful lives." End quote. For starters, World of Warcraft is far from yawn. Even if you're completely against it, it is still a fair way away from yawn. It, subsequently, is the third most popular game OF ALL TIME!! the Sims franchise, of which I am a frequent player, is the second most popular computer game EVER!!! It has millions of users worldwide!! So, in retrospect you just called millions of people worldwide "loners who need imaginary friends to compensate for the lack of actual people in their pitiful lives," you just insulted a whole lot of people. dickhead.i cant even be bothered continuing. |
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blockcentre
Aug 10, 2010 2:49 AM
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rubaiyat wrote:How about making the PCs Hackintoshes and testing them running Mac OSX 10.6 to even things up.
Legal issue, perhaps?
rubaiyat wrote:Or more logically test software such as Photoshop, Cinema 4D, mp3 RIPs, video extraction conversion, games etc running natively on both platforms.
How about running Ubuntu on both? There you have exactly like with like.
How would that, in anyway, change the results of benchmark testing? Whether it's Ubuntu or Windows on both, you're still running like for like. Your statement lacks any logic at all. Oh, and have a read of what the PC Authority benchmark tests include ;) Besides, you wouldn't want a benchmark of 3D or games running natively on both platforms - OSX couldn't keep up.
rubaiyat wrote:The whole point of Macs is not how well they imitate a platform that Mac users consider inferior, but how well they perform similar tasks.
Agreed. But with benchmark tests (which is what you're talking about here) the only way to test the HARDWARE is to make the platform the same. So it doesn't matter what OS it is, the hardware should just perform and provide a result in the benchmark test. It can't be OSX as Apple won't allow their OS to be installed on non-Apple hardware so it must be run in an alternative.
rubaiyat wrote:The absence of Firewire or HDMI on the PCs got no mention.
Sorry, which PC's are you talking about? If you mean to say that PC's don't have Firewire (IEEE 1394) or HDMI then you need to do some research.
rubaiyat wrote:There also seems to be a general design clumsiness in Windows that we can't seem to quite match on the Mac.
That comes down to individual user opinion. Very hard to compare.
rubaiyat wrote:The absence of USB 3.0 and Bluray on the Mac are the price we pay for Apple making some major decisions in their own self interest. However given the distinct practical superiority of Firewire 800 over the paper "superiority" of USB 2.0, I am always skeptical of PC claims until they actually demonstrate them.
USB3.0 offers much better performance and value than Firewire 800. This isn't a paper superiority. Apple should have included it in their latest lineup.
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rubaiyat
Aug 10, 2010 5:10 AM
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blockcentre wrote:Legal issue, perhaps?
Me offering mirror "solutions" to the PC "solutions".
Quote:How would that, in anyway, change the results of benchmark testing? Whether it's Ubuntu or Windows on both, you're still running like for like. Your statement lacks any logic at all. Oh, and have a read of what the PC Authority benchmark tests include ;) Besides, you wouldn't want a benchmark of 3D or games running natively on both platforms - OSX couldn't keep up..
The object is to see how well the software performs as the user would employ them. If OSX can't keep up that is a good result, and can be used to beat Apple on the head. However running under the native OS taps into OSX Core frameworks which IMHO are some of the better features of OSX.
Quote:Agreed. But with benchmark tests (which is what you're talking about here) the only way to test the HARDWARE is to make the platform the same. So it doesn't matter what OS it is, the hardware should just perform and provide a result in the benchmark test. It can't be OSX as Apple won't allow their OS to be installed on non-Apple hardware so it must be run in an alternative.
Not quite. Everything else maybe industry standard. The one thing that is unique on the Mac is the Graphics Card support.
Quote:Sorry, which PC's are you talking about? If you mean to say that PC's don't have Firewire (IEEE 1394) or HDMI then you need to do some research.
I don't need to do much research to find that not all PCs offer FW800 or HDMI or MiniDisplayPort. There are also PCs that don't even have speakers. These plus a lot of other features are standard on every Mac model.
Quote:That comes down to individual user opinion. Very hard to compare.
There are 10s of millions of Mac users who find that the most obvious point of comparison. You may wish to ignore it because you can't put a ruler on it, but that does not mean it doesn't exist. Windows users are always claiming that the Mac design is "wrong" until Windows copies it, then it metamorphosis's into "right" until a better copy of the Mac then comes out when the "right" becomes "wrong" again.
Quote:USB3.0 offers much better performance and value than Firewire 800. This isn't a paper superiority. Apple should have included it in their latest lineup.
That may be because USB 3.0 has finally copied some of the features of FW, but and this is a big but, I'll hold my approval until I see it in action. Until now all PC users claims to USB superiority, as with many things, has turned out to be hogwash.
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blockcentre
Aug 10, 2010 10:07 AM
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rubaiyat wrote:Me offering mirror "solutions" to the PC "solutions".
So your solution is to do things illegally? On that note though, there were several magazines that reviewed/benchmarked the Pystar systems (recent Mac clones) before Apple had them shut down. In all the reviews, the Pystar systems outperformed the comparable Mac due to flexibility in the hardware.
rubaiyat wrote:However running under the native OS taps into OSX Core frameworks which IMHO are some of the better features of OSX.
No, incorrect. These "core frameworks" that you're talking about don't go anywhere near the development platform that is Windows when it comes to making use of the hardware.
rubaiyat wrote:Not quite. Everything else maybe industry standard. The one thing that is unique on the Mac is the Graphics Card support.
That's true. The graphics card support is actually very lame compared to the Windows platform. Being stuck with OpenGL is one example of that.
rubaiyat wrote:I don't need to do much research to find that not all PCs offer FW800 or HDMI or MiniDisplayPort. There are also PCs that don't even have speakers. These plus a lot of other features are standard on every Mac model.
That's true. It's because there isn't a standard model of PC. A PC owner can select exactly what they need. For example, a office PC would not have a need for either FireWire, HDMI or a MiniDisplayPort, so why should they have to pay for those inclusions? PC's aren't a "one-size-fits-all" model. For those that need/want these options, they are there plus lots more. This would have to be the lamest argument you have made so far.
rubaiyat wrote:There are 10s of millions of Mac users who find that the most obvious point of comparison. You may wish to ignore it because you can't put a ruler on it, but that does not mean it doesn't exist. Windows users are always claiming that the Mac design is "wrong" until Windows copies it, then it metamorphosis's into "right" until a better copy of the Mac then comes out when the "right" becomes "wrong" again.
Once again, it's personal choice which shouldn't be included in a review. I prefer Windows however I wouldn't want the reviewer to state that they did as well as it's irrelevant in the review.
rubaiyat wrote:That may be because USB 3.0 has finally copied some of the features of FW, but and this is a big but, I'll hold my approval until I see it in action. Until now all PC users claims to USB superiority, as with many things, has turned out to be hogwash.
Seriously, just stop. Now you're making yourself look very ignorant. Do you need to see the Bugatti Veyron in action before you know it's the fastest car? User "claims" are based on performance tests that were conducted.
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rubaiyat
Aug 10, 2010 12:07 PM
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Most of the above remains to be proved, which is why I asked for a real OS vs OS test.
You didn't follow what I said about the graphics card. They are not identical to PC graphics cards and have an embedded chip to make them Mac compatible which will I presume have an effect on the results for the better or worse. That is to be tested and needs to be tested running natively in OSX. You just saying doesn't make it so.
The fact that there are different models of PCs is irrelevant and you seem to have a rather simple mentality on this. What is relevant is whether like is compared with like. Both sides of the debate are equally guilty of this, alternately cherry picking whatever suits their argument then twisting round to compare different samples to make another cherry picked argument.
eg If comparing costs, add up each feature to check they are all comparable and present, before making sweeping statements based on ignoring the bits you don't like.
As for preferences I can say I like Junk food over either healthy food or carefully crafted restaurant food. That is an opinion backed up by the huge numbers of junk food eaters and outlets. It doesn't however make junk food superior, only popular. Just as ask the mob what they like in art and it is usually women with big tits, purchased from Paddy's Markets.
If you examine consumers, you will find that their choice is usually based on laziness, ignorance, unfamiliarity, conditioning with childhood toys and bombardment by advertising. Close examination of their favorite food for example shows excessive amounts of sugar, salt and saturated/trans fats along with chilli and other masks used to disguise the poor ingredients prepared by trained-monkey fryers.
So it is not simply a vote of hands, the big picture and review by experts is more likely to get a result based on real knowledge, and not choices made from old habits and fears.
I have already said that USB 3.0 maybe faster than FW800, but I temper that by the same claims were made about USB and USB 2.0 repeatedly by PC users, when it was clearly not true (code for PC users lie a lot). There are few USB 3.0 devices out there still, with few PCs supporting them. There is also the issue of whether the faster USB is not trumped by the internal drive and bus speeds. That is why I will hold my judgment until I get to try one and/or real usage data is in.
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rubaiyat
Aug 10, 2010 12:18 PM
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blockcentre wrote:Seriously, just stop. Now you're making yourself look very ignorant. Do you need to see the Bugatti Veyron in action before you know it's the fastest car? User "claims" are based on performance tests that were conducted.
Now who is looking ignorant:
http://www.thesupercars.org/fastest-cars/fastest-cars-in-the-world-top-10-list/
…and that's ignoring every other car ever to approach the speed of sound or exceed it.
What else do you "know"? I "know" you can make this quick. |
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blockcentre
Aug 10, 2010 6:39 PM
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rubaiyat wrote:You didn't follow what I said about the graphics card. They are not identical to PC graphics cards and have an embedded chip to make them Mac compatible....
Is that really what you think?! The only difference between an ATI 5670 in an iMac and an ATI 5670 in a PC is the SOFTWARE. Except of course you can get various options with the PC in terms of memory, speed, etc. This "embedded chip" you speak of is nothing more than fiction.
rubaiyat wrote:eg If comparing costs, add up each feature to check they are all comparable and present, before making sweeping statements based on ignoring the bits you don't like.
I'm pretty sure that happens, except when comparing the iMac as there isn't a PC with a 27in screen that's an all-in-one. Instead you simply configure the PC and supply a 27in LCD with it.
rubaiyat wrote:So it is not simply a vote of hands, the big picture and review by experts is more likely to get a result based on real knowledge, and not choices made from old habits and fears.
Although most of my time is spent using Windows, I have used OSX many times over the past 5 years. I'm not an expert in OSX but I know enough to know that I find the interface annoying to say the least. You would feel the opposite. So how can you base a review on that? To remain objective, you have to take the intricacies of the OS out of the equation.
rubaiyat wrote:I have already said that USB 3.0 maybe faster than FW800, but I temper that by the same claims were made about USB and USB 2.0 repeatedly by PC users, when it was clearly not true (code for PC users lie a lot). There are few USB 3.0 devices out there still, with few PCs supporting them. There is also the issue of whether the faster USB is not trumped by the internal drive and bus speeds. That is why I will hold my judgment until I get to try one and/or real usage data is in.
No, it's faster. Benchmark tests of both technologies conducted prove this. I don't need to test the standard myself to know it's faster as others have done this for me. Even at the last MacWorld they concluded that USB3 will outperform FireWire 800.
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blockcentre
Aug 10, 2010 6:43 PM
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rubaiyat wrote:blockcentre wrote:Seriously, just stop. Now you're making yourself look very ignorant. Do you need to see the Bugatti Veyron in action before you know it's the fastest car? User "claims" are based on performance tests that were conducted. Now who is looking ignorant: http://www.thesupercars.org/fastest-cars/fastest-cars-in-the-world-top-10-list/…and that's ignoring every other car ever to approach the speed of sound or exceed it. What else do you "know"? I "know" you can make this quick.
Jesus Christ! You missed the point of my statement....
FFS whether it's the Veyron or any other car is irrelevant! You looked up on that website there and it says that the SSC Ultimate Aero is now the worlds fastest car, yes? So do you need to drive the fricking car to know its the fastest? Or are you going to take the word of the person that tested it and the stats they provided?!
This is exactly what you did, but when it comes to the performance of USB3 your response is "I'll hold my judgement until I get to test it..."
So are you PERSONALLY going to test every piece of kit out there just to verify the multitude of benchmarks already conducted? |
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rubaiyat
Aug 10, 2010 7:30 PM
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No, but for obvious reasons I'm not going to take your word on it.
It's obviously not based on much, except a smattering of guesswork and hearsay, from other "knowledgeable" PC users, equally challenged.
You don't even know how to Google!
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Slatts
Aug 10, 2010 8:49 PM
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rubaiyat wrote:No, but for obvious reasons I'm not going to take your word on it.
It's obviously not based on much, except a smattering of guesswork and hearsay, from other "knowledgeable" PC users, equally challenged.
10 points for the use of the bold tags rubaiyat.
Unfortunately you loose 12 points for credibility.
But hey! you're probably used to that.
rubaiyat wrote:You don't even know how to Google!
Hey wow, does google work on macs?
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rubaiyat
Aug 10, 2010 9:04 PM
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Slatts wrote:rubaiyat wrote:No, but for obvious reasons I'm not going to take your word on it.
It's obviously not based on much, except a smattering of guesswork and hearsay, from other "knowledgeable" PC users, equally challenged. 10 points for the use of the bold tags rubaiyat. Unfortunately you loose 12 points for credibility. But hey! you're probably used to that. rubaiyat wrote:You don't even know how to Google! Hey wow, does google work on macs? |
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rubaiyat
Aug 10, 2010 9:14 PM
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Hey illiterates, like to earn some of those points for yet more of your spelling errors?
If! you can figure them out.
btw How do you sign bemused exasperation? BE? Or are those words are a bit "two" big for here.
Let me summarise your reasoning so we can all get on the same page:
"Nah, nah. Nah, nah, nah. Nah. (looks around proudly for signs of approval)." |
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Slatts
Aug 10, 2010 9:20 PM
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might be time to get those dosages recalibrated there rubaiyat.
Either that or your meds are loosing their efficacy... |
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blockcentre
Aug 10, 2010 9:43 PM
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rubaiyat wrote:No, but for obvious reasons I'm not going to take your word on it.
It's obviously not based on much, except a smattering of guesswork and hearsay, from other "knowledgeable" PC users, equally challenged.
You don't even know how to Google!
Edited by rubaiyat: 10/8/2010 07:32:04 PM
I didn't ask you to take my word for it.
You could visit several tech websites such as Tom's Hardware or Anandtech. I doubt you can get more credibility than those two sources. Even at the last MacWorld they declared that USB3 would offer greater performance and flexibility than FireWire 800. One of the biggest criticisms by Mac users to the new lineup is the lack of USB3 when the technology has been readily available for 6 months now.
Google?! What's this Google you speak of?
That's okay though, you just keep reassuring yourself. Hopefully the tin foil hat holds out for you.
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blockcentre
Aug 10, 2010 9:45 PM
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rubaiyat wrote:Hey illiterates, like to earn some of those points for yet more of your spelling errors?
If! you can figure them out.
btw How do you sign bemused exasperation? BE? Or are those words are a bit "two" big for here.
Let me summarise your reasoning so we can all get on the same page:
"Nah, nah. Nah, nah, nah. Nah. (looks around proudly for signs of approval)."
Ouch! Such quick wit and stinging logic.
You win. I'll go and purchase a MacBook in the morning. Owning one will obviously solve my literacy issues. :roll:
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rubaiyat
Aug 11, 2010 3:09 AM
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Stinging logic is not exactly the commodity of the day here.
Tin hats and speaking in cliches is.
No computer will solve basic ignorance btw. Your basic mistake is the belief that possessing hardware makes up for lack of effort.
Edited by rubaiyat: 11/8/2010 03:12:23 AM |
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blockcentre
Aug 11, 2010 9:06 AM
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rubaiyat wrote:No computer will solve basic ignorance
Oh I know! You've proven that countless times so far...
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rubaiyat
Aug 11, 2010 12:52 PM
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…says blockcentre looking admiringly in the mirror. |