What an NBN connection looks like

by William Maher | Thursday 8 September 2011

A closeup view of how the NBN connects to your home, and some of the networking issues it will pose.

[Update: We've posted a follow-up to this article, looking at who's responsible for what when you connect to the NBN].

As ditches are dug and the first few suburbs connect to the National Broadband Network, we're getting a clearer picture of what connecting will mean for your home.

We got a close-up look inside the guts of an NBN connection this week at a new home built at Doonside in Western Sydney. As a new estate, with a few months before the first homeowners are slated move in, it's more a look at what might be, if and when the NBN rolls down your street in the months and years to come.

One of the things we looked at is the of the box housing the connection points where the NBN connects to your home's LAN. We thought we'd post the photos for those interested in this sort of thing.

The photos below are of the two connection points at which your home will be connected to the NBN. The first is a small box outside the house where the fibre connects to the home.

The incoming point for fibre to the home: the creatively named Premises Connection Device (PCD)

The box you see in the photo below is located in a garage of the home we looked at. The fibre then makes its way to this location, where it plugs into the Network Termination Device. This is where the NBN connects to your home network.

Inside the garage: the Network Termination Device (NTD).

The black cable with the green plug at the right is the incoming fibre, connected to the Network Termination Device (NTD). From here, a cable joins the NTD to your home router, which is located out of shot to the right.

Note the existence of several data ports on the NTD box. Here there's one connection used, but the other ports could be used to connect to other service providers. For example, you might get your voice service from iPrimus and your data from Internode. Not necessarily a great way to take advantage of bundled pricing, but system has the ability.

The green plug is the incoming fibre. The yellow cable connects out to your router.

Pick your ISP. Four data ports means you can use multiple providers.

Tucked away to the left edge of the NTD are two voice ports - once copper is phased out, all NBN connected houses will have phones connected over the fibre network. We're told the second line is for things like personal alarm services.

With your phone now connected via the NBN, the battery (the box with the Warning sign on it in the second photo from the top) is there as a safety precaution in case you lose power. It's meant to provide a few hours of power. In the case of a power loss, a button lets you manually kick in the remaining stored power when you need it, so it doesn't drain in the middle of the night while you're asleep, for example.

From the NTD, data is connected to your home's router, seen in the picture below. From here, cables can be seen connecting the router back to patch panels (the panel at the far right in the picture below) and in the previous photo (second photo), and then on into the home's internal wiring.

There are three data connections coming out from this router. Those black cables are antenna lines.

The router closeup.

Things are clearly going to get interesting at this point. For an ideal, bells and whistles configuration like the one we saw, where multiple rooms are connected and using high bandwidth applications like video on demand, wiring your home is best, but will be obviously more expensive. The NBN representative we spoke to recommended the common Cat6 cabling, rather than older Cat5 for getting a home network NBN-ready. At this week's demonstration we heard numbers like $400-$500 mentioned, but we imagine some will beg to differ.

NBN representatives at the demonstration this week were happily recommending powerline networking as a cheaper alternative, which will put you closer to the $100 for a starter kit.

Likely some will decide they can't be bothered and go wireless instead.

Also read:

Connecting to the NBN: this is the network boundary point

Photos: here's what an NBN-install might look like in your street

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Sputnik 8 September 2011	Uh, the cabling is awful in this setup. What a mess. CAT5E should be fine. Comment made about the PC & Tech Authority article: What an NBN connection looks like? A closeup view of how the NBN connects to your home, and some of the networking issues it will pose. What do you think? Join the discussion.
jwaustincrowe 8 September 2011	@Sputnik, beat me to it. This sort of install will see another fiasco. Did they get the unemployed insulation installers to do the work? Also, yes, as it is only 100Mb approx then CAT6 is a waste of money. And instead of the rant of the magical box with the warning sticker, why not just say it has a small UPS?
1401 8 September 2011	Hold on! Where is the VITAL battery backup / UPS power supply unit? How does a home owner get to the unit and open it to change the battery when needed? What if you do not have a garage attached to the house or the like and no ready 240volt power outlet external to the house or near where the unit is to be installed? The photo is unclear as to where the power is coming from?
photohounds 8 September 2011	Pink batts mark 2, anyone? As if the original debacle wasn't enough. Rough-looking installation too. There's too little due diligence with the fed's projects.
r_j_a_y 8 September 2011	@jwaustincrowe - they are saying use cat6 to wire up each room outlet in the house to the router. Even if the incoming connection is only 100mb - doesn't mean you wouldn't the rest of your house wired to to router at gigabit or more - does it?
Reggie 8 September 2011	come on it's not that bad. The NTU and UPS is clean enough. Single ethernet to the home router. After that it is a big mess but that would be the owners responsibility, surely. Close the door on the rest.
photohounds 8 September 2011	Maybe Reggie, still I wouldn't tell my colleagues that I had made Swiss cheese of someone's wall. As long as it works, I suppose - but ... :)
Pirate_Pete 8 September 2011	What a shonky job as a sparkie who been doing cabling systems for years that has to be one of the laziest efforts I have seen. For a new house that box on the front of the house with the conduit showing is just a load of $@%#. Cat5 would be all you need even if you run a Gigabit network, the longest run would be lucky to be 50m
photohounds 8 September 2011	Yes, PP and to use it as the example of how it will look? Not setting the bar too high, are they? There's a price to pay for speed I suppose. Grab an old brick and a bit of clear araldite and make your own 'filler' after the shonks have been through?? Heh, heh ...
kevin_watters 8 September 2011	Are they allowed to run cable from one cabinet to the other through those holes in the upper cabinets without grommets to protect the cable... I know thats not allowed in many other countries. Also, Telco cables and power cables are supposed to have a minimum distance separating them... the second photo shows the data cables coming out of the same hole under a power point. Another no no in many countries. All I can say is I would never do a job like this... sloppy as hell. Unsecured stuff too... please tell me this violates code somewhere ???
petergaskin 8 September 2011	It did break the laws in the early 90s in South Australia. A new building the firm I was working at, was penalised for that very same faulty wiring. I can not believe just how much room is needed by the nbn equipment.
Macropodmum 8 September 2011	The inside of my computer is tidier than that....
leondotcom 9 September 2011	how about block of units? tenants should not have access to the box.... where will the box located? how about security? no lock?
WalterPPK 9 September 2011	"In the case of a power loss, a button lets you manually kick in the remaining stored power when you need it..." But will end users know this? I doubt most of them will even be able to find the cabinet. And I agree the install is pretty sub-par. Either the cabinet should have space and facility to include your router, a couple of switches or even a NAS, perhaps a pre-drilled shelf could be included; or it should be made tight and compact. This half-empty but not quite empty enough to be useful design is pretty annoying.
rubaiyat 9 September 2011	photohounds wrote: Pink batts mark 2, anyone? As if the original debacle wasn't enough. Rough-looking installation too. There's too little due diligence with the fed's projects. There is this mythical notion that private enterprise gets everything right and government projects get everything wrong. Private enterprise is installing these things and can be just as shonky as your local builder or utilities company. Just think back on the Optus cable roll out, stringing fat cables from anything that would support them, then chopping off swathes of trees that got in the way. Where my father lives the electricity company has plowed through kilometres of council footpaths and badly patched them with mounds of bitumen. My wife and I recently inspected some million dollar apartments in a waterfront development and the floors had their own geology and the tiles actually twisted as they went down the walls. Welcome to Australia, the pursuit of the quick buck where qualified experienced workers are laid off to employ cheap labor.
photohounds 9 September 2011	Sad but true, Ruby. I don't labour under said misapprehension. It used to be that government houses were better built than private ones as inspectors were tough. However, with the current level of project oversight (no spot checks?), this project seems that it will go all pear-shaped as well. It pays to remember WHOSE money they are spending in the first place.
rubaiyat 9 September 2011	So whose money did the privatised Telstra waste all these years whilst driving down share values and NOT bringing in high speed networks because it would cut into their business? Whose money has been wasted on freeways, middleclass welfare, trees that died, dams that stagnated or strangled waterways, Free Trade agreements that aren't, 100's of billions $ in airplanes and airports to make millions of people's lives miserable for the few, etc Don't forget at the personal level that those people so concerned at stimulus package waste, don't object to the benefits of the program that effectively gave people jobs painting all the rocks white just to keep the money moving around. They themselves "invest" in gas guzzling 4 wheel drives, energy and visually polluting MacMansions, buying water in bottles, packaging on everything including packaging of packets, food that they throw away, insist on horrendously expensive 'fast' freeways that creep to a crawl, driving when they should walk, electric powered walkers in gyms and the myriad of stupid irrational and 'wasteful' things that everyone does. The thing I would change about the NBN is the order and direction it is implemented. Long spines linking hubs, fanning out into new suburbs and new high rise. Connecting the gaps later as they come up. I'd do a Johnny Howard and make the Mining Tax finance this and other 'Nation Building Infrastructure'. The actual connection along with its housing should be handed over to competent industrial designers and mass produced here in Australia. Just looking at that 'hand job' makes me winch. Nobody really noticed or complained about the vast reticulation system that was built to install natural gas through much of Australia/ Edited by rubaiyat: 9/9/2011 02:48:05 PM
rubaiyat 9 September 2011	Just ruminating. Why hasn't Tony Abbott targeted the unbelievably huge waste of the GFC which was created by his supporters fabricating galactic size Ponzi schemes and giving them a creamy smooth coating of MBA BS to hide their industrial toxic contents? Also the 100s of billions Howard spent on attacking Iraq our biggest trading partner in the middle east?
photohounds 9 September 2011	Ruby, you're definitely preaching to the choir over here .... I agree with many of your uses for the tax. I cycle to work. I prefer it to using my car, and also lament the gross wastefulness that is Western society - pre AND post GFC. As one only needs so many materials and men to build something, the stupid argument that buildings that cost 8x their true value injected 8x back into the economy, as one sometimes hears, is utter rubbish. I wonder if the the difference is simply pocketed or whisked offshore :( I'm all for giving old-age pensioners something extra, but $350 set top boxes ... you can get a flamin' TV WITH tuner for that and far less complexity! Why not post old-age pensioners a voucher for $350, redeemable at the TV stores instead of all that inefficiency and hoo hah? Pork barrelling at its finest - best to deliver it just months before the next election? Edited by photohounds: 9/9/2011 04:09:23 PM
Doc Harry 10 September 2011	I used to be a Fibre advocate but after seeing this mess I am changing my mind.Tony Abbott should stop fighting the NBN and begin targeting the messy and inefficient way they are doing this. Finally this network is going to be the cornerstone of our communications system. As such reliability should be paramount. With Overhead cables at the whim of the elements and cabinets next to the Kerb and gutter waiting for the first wayward vehicle to hit it reliability has been completely overlooked. Bad luck if you are having a heart attack or someone is trying to break in to your house and you can't ring "000" Surely it is time to go back to the drawing board. Welcome to Australia. The home of the quick fix.
rubaiyat 10 September 2011	Doc Harry wrote: Welcome to Australia. The home of the quick (slow) fix.
Rossko 10 September 2011	I am horrified by this; I live in Queensland where for much of the year the humidity is above 80% and in summer it is typically closer to 95%. Even if such equipment were installed inside a weather-proof enclosure (regardless if it is also put inside a garage, for example) it will only take a few weeks for the ants and/or geckos to build nests inside each piece of electronic equipment that isn't made totally impermeable. And then there is mould. My solar inverter is inside a power box enclosure outside the house and it is also being invaded by creepers and horizontally driving rain. Outside enclosures rust in a few years, even if galvanised. What a horrible outcome to put such sensitive electronic equipment at every house, when with fibre-to-the-node it could have been housed in a shared controlled environment and the current twisted pair utilised which still carried 48 volts for emergency powering of telephones. If these photos portray the likely in-house installation in Queensland, I only see maintenance problems in the long term.
Woodgrub 11 September 2011	How slack are they with the installation. They even use a double adapter on the power point. Are they so cheap they do even use a double power point.
Slatts 11 September 2011	Rossko wrote: I am horrified by this; I live in Queensland where for much of the year the humidity is above 80% and in summer it is typically closer to 95%. So what Rossko? Your average inverter type airconditioner survives in those conditions quite comfortably with far more vulnerable electrics and electronics. Oh, and we're talking relative humidity. the temperature inside the enclosure would be higher due to heat generated by the components and therefore the RH would be a lot lower. I've worked in the top end of Queensland and the Territory in airconditioning and refrigeration for over 30 years and I'm here to tell you that condensation in an electrical enclosure is a non issue. Rossko wrote: Even if such equipment were installed inside a weather-proof enclosure (regardless if it is also put inside a garage, for example) it will only take a few weeks for the ants and/or geckos to build nests inside each piece of electronic equipment that isn't made totally impermeable. And then there is mould.My solar inverter is inside a power box enclosure outside the house and it is also being invaded by creepers and horizontally driving rain. Outside enclosures rust in a few years, even if galvanised. Those would be the same ants and geckos that nest in your power box, phone junction box, computer and anywhere else you care to name? Put out ant bait and seal the box with silastic. The photos are from a Southern installation. It might be edifying to get some pics from the Townsville roll-out. And then there is no mould, because the box is warm and dry. creepers invading your inverter box? Do some gardening. I've got an old beach house near Townsville that we built in the 70s. It has a gal power box on the side of it. It has no rust. It's about 200 meters from the beach. Rossko wrote: What a horrible outcome to put such sensitive electronic equipment at every house, when with fibre-to-the-node it could have been housed in a shared controlled environment and the current twisted pair utilised which still carried 48 volts for emergency powering of telephones. If these photos portray the likely in-house installation in Queensland, I only see maintenance problems in the long term. I only see a beat up. Perhaps you'd be happier if the system were to use semaphore? Or drums? Or anything that involved a change of government?
garryg 11 September 2011	Appallingly amateurish installation! I used to work for an outsourcer as IT architect and I can tell you this would NOT pass inspection. Not cable ties or anchors, no separation of power and data cables, missing grommet, a patch panel dangling in mid-air - ugly and unprofessional! And also false economy, since there will be call-backs to fix the problems that will ultimately occur.
neilkent 12 September 2011	It seems there are 3 problems. The hole in the wall appears to be from a previous installation of a copper cable NTD. It would have covered the hole so no one would have known. The NBN equipment for the most part is correctly and professionally installed - a little rough with the flex conduit perhaps. But whoever installed the adjacent home entertainment box should have their cablers licence cancelled - if they actually have one. It is disgusting. What I like most is the way they ran the extra grey cat cables into the NBN box - with apparently no segregation. Must have been too hard to get them in the other box. Is the NBN co actually showing this off as a model installation?
jonno888 12 September 2011	Are websites like this just a magnet for whingers or something? You think this is bad cabling? Take a walk around some of your ISP's datacentre's. You'll see much the same.
kevin_watters 12 September 2011	jonno888, yeah, well, I'm not paying my ISP $40+ Billion dollars to build their infrastructure up. At that price the quality should be and CAN be to code... which this particular installation is not. This NBN is supposed to be the backbone for all communications in this country when its done... its best if it will work from the beginning and not start failing in a few years because of bad workmanship because they are using high-school dropouts to do their installs. Just my 2 cents.
Mikeinnc 12 September 2011	What makes me so mad is that this isn't so bad! I've been involved, through family and friends, with four new houses recently, all wired for data by so-called "experts" - aka licensed cablers. In every case, I had to spend a great deal of time - and, yes, illegally - rewiring; rerouting and generally tidying up the appalling mess they'd left behind. Cables stapled to joists and crushed. Bent at right angles around corners (and this included quad shield TV coax!!). Laid parallel to power cables with no spacing. Voice cable used instead of Cat5. Incorrect RJ45 connections. RJ11 sockets "good for data, mate!" The list goes on and on..... And, let's just reflect on this - in every case it was "private industry" that did such a great job (end sarcasm). When I was a telecomms tech with what is now British Telecomm - and, yes, it was a Government organisation in those days - I'd have been hung by my *** from the nearest telephone pole if I'd have done jobs like I've seen. So lets get a level of realism here. Despite the right wing rhetoric, bad workmanship is NOT the prerogative of government.....
Slatts 12 September 2011	kevin_watters wrote: jonno888, yeah, well, I'm not paying my ISP $40+ Billion dollars to build their infrastructure up. At that price the quality should be and CAN be to code... which this particular installation is not. This NBN is supposed to be the backbone for all communications in this country when its done... its best if it will work from the beginning and not start failing in a few years because of bad workmanship because they are using high-school dropouts to do their installs. Just my 2 cents. Well actually, you're not paying anyone $40+ billion kev. I imagine that will be a relief for you. And as you seem to have missed it the first time, here is neilkents post. neilkent wrote: It seems there are 3 problems. The hole in the wall appears to be from a previous installation of a copper cable NTD. It would have covered the hole so no one would have known. The NBN equipment for the most part is correctly and professionally installed - a little rough with the flex conduit perhaps. But whoever installed the adjacent home entertainment box should have their cablers licence cancelled - if they actually have one. It is disgusting. What I like most is the way they ran the extra grey cat cables into the NBN box - with apparently no segregation. Must have been too hard to get them in the other box. Is the NBN co actually showing this off as a model installation? The mess is from an unrelated installation.
kevin_watters 13 September 2011	Slatts, sorry mate but the data cable to patch panel inside the NTU is not installed correctly at all. That patch panel must be secured down, not left dangling, It must also NOT go through the same hole as the power point. Now, if the NBN device with the fibre cable to it is a modem and provides NAT/DHCP etc and is fed to the house data points via the patch panel in the NTU and you forget everything else then the installation is still not correct just on those grounds. If someone else added the second panel and then placed a cat cable from the modem to the router then back into the NTU panel then yes I understand (IF it was a separate install, and then PC Authority should have said it was or appeared to be a separate install). But a blanket statement (and photos) saying 'here is a NBN install' could make you think this was the end product of their work no ?? And also, last time I checked I was paying taxes in this country and my elected government, who I pay taxes to and who introduced the NBN and who is paying Telstra for the privilege to use their equipment etc organised the company to install and run the NBN program... well, that means me, you and every other tax payer in the country is paying for it thanks :) THAT means I get a say in it, just like everyone else.
n3m3515 13 September 2011	I know a lot of you don't think you need 1Gb Cat6 cables simply because your broadband connection is 100Mb but it really is best to have 1Gb wiring through the house. I run a 12TB network attached storage (NAS) that is connected to the TV and to my computer in the office via ethernet. When you stream content all over the house you want a faster connection than what Cat5 can offer especially when doing file transfers to multiple locations around the house. It's not just about your broadband connection speed. Anyway that's just my two cents and hopefully food for thought.
jonno888 13 September 2011	@kevin_watters. I repeat, a magnet for whingers...... If this is all we have to complain about with the NBN then we really don't have much to worry about however, it seems to be human nature to point out the negative side of things. As for me, Telstra couldn't even find the decency to cable my entire street into their infrastructure. Bring on the NBN. Bring it on ASAP. All you whingers, continue to use you crappy copper network :)
photohounds 13 September 2011	Can't see anything wrong with putting in the best cable. Do we all get ditches through our front lawns soon? I'll have the rake ready :) BER - (building the entertainment revolution) should take our minds off things like our inept the greek, EURO US (and other) crises threating stability etc., etc., at least for a while, eh? The more things change ...
neilkent 13 September 2011	Isn't the real problem here shoddy journalism? The only thing the NBN provides is the fibre unit and power supply & Fibre cable. All the rest is by "others". Sharing the power point is against NBN rules. The wiring breaches the ACMA regulations. Perhaps if the journalist had dome some basic research on the NBN we, and he, would have all been better informed. I guess that's why I don't buy computer magazines. At the very least he could have included the ACMA's complaint line so the poor mug that buys this house can get the cabling fixed. Finally, if anyone want's to know what an NBN Co installation looks like, there's some really informative PDF's downloadable from their web site. If only the author had taken the time to read them!
William Maher 16 September 2011	neilkent, good points you make. Keep in mind, when the NBN showed us this box housing the NTU, we thought you might be interested to see what it looked like too. We posted them so you can see, and to give everyone a picture of what connecting a home to the NBN involves - the sort of equipment and bits involved, like the need for an NTU and battery backup, and the issue these things raise. I hope you've at least found the photos interesting. As for the cabling job, messiness, whether the power point in the photo was in breach of rules - a lot of people here have pointed out criticisms with what they're seeing in the photos, which is interesting, and we're following that up. We never said that the NBN people themselves had done those particular parts of this install, or who was responsible for what. There's quite detailed pdfs on the NBN site explaining who is responsible for what, and regulations about NBN connections. But I don't see that we've done anything wrong here, other than share with you the photos so you can debate and discuss and point out some valid concerns which we're following up for you. Thanks for the comments, keep them coming. Edited by william maher: 16/9/2011 01:47:57 PM Edited by william maher: 16/9/2011 01:49:07 PM Edited by william maher: 16/9/2011 01:50:31 PM
ory_zm 16 September 2011	William Maher wrote: I hope you've at least found the photos interesting. I have found the pictures very interesting and informative Quote: But I don't see that we've done anything wrong here, other than share with you the photos so you can debate and discuss and point out some valid concerns which we're following up for you. I think the point made was that you posted pictures of the whole installation as a "this is what an NBN install looks like" (which is fair enough), but only part of what was shown was under the actual NBN co. responsibility and the other was (hopefully) under the responsibility of the owner/contractor/whatever. Most of us don't know any of this, I don't sit and read NBN documentation on my free time - that is viewed as part of your job. All you should have done was let us know what is done by the government (or its agent) and what is the responsibility of the house owner. That's all.
William Maher 16 September 2011	Thanks ory_zm, by "NBN install", we mean "here are photos showing what sort of connections are involved if you're going to have the NBN in your house." Not: "here's just the bits the NBN company is responsible for". Yes: the NBN company isn't responsible for everything that gets connected in the home. That wasn't meant to be implied, and this article wasn't meant to show specifically only those cables the NBN company installs. You've pointed out that's it's an important issue who does which jobs: and we're also interested in following that up for you in a separate story. >>"Most of us don't know any of this, I don't sit and read NBN documentation on my free time - that is viewed as part of your job." Thanks for pointing this out. The home's essentially a display home, so I'll be honest, I didn't make a priority of holding this story for longer while we expanded it to look at the cabling and installation regulations. Absolutely agree, it's important, and in hindsight I think now I would have made a point to include something on this, but some days we have to draw a line and get the photos up, or we'll be posting at midnight. An alternative: We could have shown just the PDC and NTU box, and blacked out the rest of the photo. But we figured, you might want to see the rest of the pieces, like the router and cables, too. Thanks for the comments, much appreciated, keep them coming.
William Maher 21 October 2011	Hi everyone, we've posted a follow-up article. Here it is: http://www.pcauthority.com.au/Feature/277519,connecting-to-the-nbn-the-network-boundary-point.aspx Edited by william maher: 21/10/2011 12:50:09 PM Edited by william maher: 21/10/2011 12:50:39 PM
arblake 27 October 2011	Looks like a job done by a hacker who has just left high school. Why so many boxes. 10 years ago you could buy 1 that did it all and more for $450.00. As for the Premises Connection Device (PCD), I bet it cost more than $20, which is what it should be.
Gavin_Fielke 29 October 2011	The secondary part is the bad part of this install.It looks like the idea was to install the phone and data directly from the modem which would have meant 2 cables coming from seperate provider sockets in the modem but someone decided that they needed something different and instead of installing a switch decided to install the biggest router they could find in a separate cabinet at which time the whole thing want bad. If you remove the router and associated cabling from the equation it is a decent install other than the use of an extension cord rather than a power point and the sockets falling out of their mounts. I would solve this by installing a proper power socket with 2 outlets being for the medem and for a switch and using screws instead of clips for the sockets. I will also include a small switch in the cabinet for the other parts of my house. From the information I have seen I don't think the battery is included in the install and you need to provide your own which hopefully means I can rig a larger than average battery to the setup for week long power outages.
rubaiyat 29 October 2011	No! This needs an Industrial Designer to create a low profile, minimal box that can be securely fixed to the wall and wired by a low skill employee using at most 3 sets of connectors: 1. The network side cable 2. The house side connection 3. The electrical power The target design should be durable, low cost and capable of installation in less than 10 minutes, not counting getting the power to the box. This is easily achievable with the minimum of thought (this has had none) and has a market of millions of units and possible export potential. I would add an additional touch of a small solar panel to recharge the backup battery.
mrrktomes 13 December 2011	This need for industrial designers to create this low-key.The smallest box can be firmly fixed to the wall, by the use of low-skilled workers up to 3 sets of connectors,the first one is the wired network side of the line. The second side of the house connection. The third is electricity.
tonemarky 21 December 2011	There's a cost to pay for rate I think. Get an old components and a bit of obvious araldite and create your own 'filler'. It did separate the regulations in the beginning 90s in Southern Modern australia. A new developing the business I was operating at, was penalised for that very same substandard electrical wiring. I can not believe just how much space is required by the nbn products.
ory_zm 21 December 2011	What's with the terrible English guys? can't understand any of what you are saying.
rubaiyat 21 December 2011	ory_zm This is just spam. Someone in China or wherever is grabbing bits of the thread and inserting links to fish for hits. I have reported all the posts I can find. PCAuthority's website has been hijacked for quite a while now.
ory_zm 21 December 2011	Oh, I didn't notice their signatures.