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kevin_watters
24 May 2008
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Or you could just buy an Xbox360 for $388 and it will kick that PCs butt 10 times over for frame-rate in Crysis and all other games.
Comment made about the PC Authority article:
Building a $1500 gaming PC?
So you want to make yourself a new gaming rig, one that’s capable of playing Crysis at more than two frames per second, but won’t blow the budget?
What do you think? Join the discussion. |
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kevin_watters
24 May 2008
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Oh... forgot.... and with the $1000 you saved... you can buy a new 42" plasma HD tv to go with it. |
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yasbad
2 June 2008
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and how are you gonna surf the net, IM, email, stream internet radio/youtube, p2p etc, not to mention the wider variety of games available on PC. |
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piers
7 June 2008
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I actually just got a computer for just over 1500 without extras though:
MB - G-B DS3R
CPU - Q6600 Quad
Ram - 2 x 2GB kingston
GPU - 8800GT
HD - 2 x 640 WD
Case - Antec P182
PSU - HX-520
Mon - LG 22
Random DVD
The PSU and case I spend more on for quietness sake. All together $1550.
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
7 June 2008
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I just did a build for $1500:
CPU: E8400 - $187
RAM: 4GB 800MHz RAM - $132
GPU: 8800GT - $231
Mobo: EVGA 750i FTW - $253
PSU: Corsair HX-620 - $149
Case: CoolerMaster COSMOS S RC-1100 (no PSU) - $297
Optical Drive: Pioneer DVR-215D - $39
HDD: W.D. SATA 640GB - $105
OS: Vista Home Premium 64-bit OEM - $132
Total: $1525
The guy didn't want peripherals, but it's easy to change it around to cater for them.
Edited by .:Cyb3rGlitch:.: 7/6/2008 05:01:47 PM |
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Lupetto
2 July 2008
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Seeing that I work for an IT distributor I’m always setting up gaming rigs for customer’s clients for under $1500. It’s that easy, though with today’s computer technology advancing as fast as it is, you could almost treat nearly all the components as consumables. They get outdated that fast.
Also my computer cost me under the $1500
AMD 6000 series
Thermaltake MATRIX case
M2N SLI DELUXE Mother board
Kingston 667 4GB ram
600W PSU
View sonic monitor
G15 Keyboard & G5 Mouse
Gigabyte 9600GT
And I bought these before I was working for a Distributor. So there’s no Reason why anyone should go out and fork more than $2000 On a gaming system that’s just going to get outdated in the next 6 months or as soon as the next power hungry game comes out.
BUT HEY!!!! If you got the cash... don’t let me stop you chances are I’m the one who is going to get a phone call to get custom parts for a gaming rig “HORRAY FOR BONUS+COMMISIONS”
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islip
17 July 2008
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This guide helped me make a good bang for buck machine to replace my old one. Since I'm keeping the I/O peripherals I set my budget at $1000. Heres the parts:
cpu - AMD Phenom 9500 QuadCore 2.2Ghz - $210
case - CoolerMaster Elite 331 with no PSU - $52
psu - 620W "Corsair" HX-620 ATX - $136
motherboard - Gigabyte GA-MA790X-DS4 AMD - $141
memory - 4x Genesis 1G 800mhz PC6400 - $96
optical drive - liteon DVDRW20X - $35
hard disk - Samsung 500Gb SATA Hard Disk HDD 500G - $95
graphics card - Palit Radeon 4850 - $212
All up I'll be slightly over budget including postage. |
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DaFiz
18 July 2008
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I myself can not see the point in spending more than $800 on a gaming PC, so without going into specific products here is my budget gaming PC breakdown.
CPU - $70
Case - $60 (including PSU)
Mainboard - $70
RAM - $100
DVDRW - $45
HDD - $100
Video - $355
that puts me at about $800, without peripherals and monitor.
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Jim.Dude
19 July 2008
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Well, without a keyboard and monitor it's going to be hard to use... :-P
Computer > XBOX... why?
- Waaaay more games.
- Waaaay better games!
- More uses, can an XBOX send e-mails and word process while burning a DVD? I didn't think so.
- A more intuitive interface, keyboard and mouse ftw.
And besides, everyone knows the Xbox is for dope smoking loners - if you HAVE to have a console, long live the WII!
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
19 July 2008
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Jim.Dude wrote:Well, without a keyboard and monitor it's going to be hard to use... :-P
Computer > XBOX... why?
- Waaaay more games.
- Waaaay better games!
- More uses, can an XBOX send e-mails and word process while burning a DVD? I didn't think so.
- A more intuitive interface, keyboard and mouse ftw.
And besides, everyone knows the Xbox is for dope smoking loners - if you HAVE to have a console, long live the WII!
I beg to differ.
Consoles are better for people who want to play games on a small budget. Some people don't want to worry about performance issues and compatibility, and some might not want the games that Nintendo offer. Think without the blinkers. |
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Jim.Dude
19 July 2008
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That's like saying that a Toyota is the same as Ferrari, because some people like cheap cars.
Yes, a $1500 computer is a whole lot more expensive than an XBOX, but it can do a whole lot more.
So if you want a fair comparison, compare the XBOX with a similar priced console, such as the Wii.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/games/wii-breaks-xbox-sales-record/2006/12/14/1165685799546.html
Proof that the Wii console pwns the XBOX.
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bbjai
19 July 2008
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thats not a very smart statement in my opinion. Although my personal opinion is that the Xbox is not a better entertainment device for myself compared to say a PC, I wouldn't say the same for alot of other people.
First of all your assuming that everyone can build a $1500 PC. Thats not true, any PC around the $1500 mark (with Monitor and KB/Mouse) won't actually be as good as the ones above. A standard Dell one for example at that price doesn't come up to being up to scratch with many of the latest games, hence cutting your heaps of games theory in half. Even if they could play the games it would be in lesser graphical quality where as most people would be playing high quality looking games on the XBox. Lets not mention that a $1500 Box wouldn't be able to play on a large HDMI equipped TV unless you built it specifically. Which I'm sure 80% of the population can't.
Second of all, its more expensive and its not really like a console but if the stated purpose of the purchase is playing games I think the XBox is a much more cash efficient buy. It can still stream and stuff as well through its media centre streaming abilities. Sure it won't do half of what a PC will do but then you won't have to set it up either.
The Xbox, Wii and PS3. Everyone buys those not everyone buys a PC for games. I think if you say just plain having a PC for games the consoles will win everytime. Just less hassle. |
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
19 July 2008
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It's orange and apples. They're different markets. |
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Jim.Dude
19 July 2008
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I'm not assuming anything, the name of the thread was literally $1500 PC and you can get a very good machine for that price. Just because DELL doesn't make one doesn't mean they don't exist! http://www.zipcomputers.com.au/store/view_product.php?product=SYS-INTEL-PERF The PC in the link is only $1300, as an example and it comes ready to go - no 'setting up' required.
Realistically though it's a facetious argument; you buy an XBOX to play games but you buy a PC for numerous other reasons. I mean, you could buy a $1500 workstation that wouldn't do the first dent in a game.
No, really the question is what's the best gaming platform...and according to the figures on sales, that is a Nintendo Wii. :-)
Edited by Jim.Dude: 19/7/2008 10:11:58 PM |
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Jim.Dude
19 July 2008
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:. wrote:It's orange and apples. They're different markets.
Well, since you don't have anything to back that claim up beyond your own words, the best I can offer is the following link:
http://news.vgchartz.com/news.php?id=508
Which states that both the XBOX & WII DO share the same market and that the WII is in fact the market leader.
So, it appears if you wanna play games, buy a wii. If you wanna play games, surf the net, burn DVD's and video conference, buy a PC. |
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
20 July 2008
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I'm not arguing that the Wii isn't the market leader, I know it is. I'm just pointing out that the Xbox covers another segment of gamers such as high graphic FPS and RPG titles. Some people don't want the games that the Wii offers, and they don't want to pay over a grand for a PC. The console ensures compatibility with games, unlike a PC with can have issues and frame rate drops depending on the drivers and GPU used. In other words, the ~$350 Xbox is easier and cheaper to use than the PC.
That being said, I use a PC for gaming because I know the limits of my system.
Edited by .:Cyb3rGlitch:.: 20/7/2008 10:21:34 AM |
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Slatts
20 July 2008
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Horses for courses.
my personal poison is flight sims. If you can land a F16 on carrier or take off in a 747 or fly an instrument approach with all the reality settings maxed out on a console with a couple of thumb sticks or a wavy wand, I'd like to see it.
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Jim.Dude
20 July 2008
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With all that said, there's really only one more point to consider.
PC - DX9 and DX10 compatible.
XBOX - DX9 only.
Nough said. |
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Slatts
20 July 2008
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Jim.Dude wrote:With all that said, there's really only one more point to consider.
PC - DX9 and DX10 compatible.
XBOX - DX9 only.
Nough said.
not quite Jim;)
You're never going to see a DX10 game being made for the XBOX, So the argument is moot. |
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Jim.Dude
21 July 2008
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Slatts wrote:Jim.Dude wrote:With all that said, there's really only one more point to consider.
PC - DX9 and DX10 compatible.
XBOX - DX9 only.
Nough said. not quite Jim;) You're never going to see a DX10 game being made for the XBOX, So the argument is moot.
Exactly...my PS1 still gets awesome FPS, but that's because the detail of the game is rubbish. The XBOX will likely be the same as more and more DX10 games arrive on the scene. Whereas a PC will be unable to run them, the XBOX won't be able to and more than likely, we'll see the arrival of a new XBOX 360.
Thus, if you want to play the latest games for longer, a PC is the only option. |
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
21 July 2008
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Well not really, because you have to constantly upgrade the PC anyway, so the total price becomes quite large. PC is better for graphics, but not for price and ease of use. Thats always going to be the case. |
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Slatts
21 July 2008
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:. wrote:Well not really, because you have to constantly upgrade the PC anyway, so the total price becomes quite large. PC is better for graphics, but not for price and ease of use. Thats always going to be the case.
Upgrading your PC is part of the fun!=d>
can't do that with a console:cry:
Games consoles are sold by the manufacturers at a loss. They plan on making their money by selling games. The more consoles out there the more games they'll move. That said, the price point, if I'm not mistaken, would be set such that the people who can afford it would be the people who'd have the disposable income to buy the latest games. Bit of a balancing act;) |
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Jim.Dude
21 July 2008
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:. wrote:Well not really, because you have to constantly upgrade the PC anyway, so the total price becomes quite large. PC is better for graphics, but not for price and ease of use. Thats always going to be the case.
Constantly upgrade? Since when and says who? I bought an XFX 7800GTX around about the same time the 360 arrived on the scene and it's still pumping away just fine in my case. And sure, I can't play DX10 games but at the moment I don't want to and since an XBOX can't play them anyways, it's a dud point. Moreover, if you do want to upgrade there are always hundreds of people willing to buy and sell 2nd hand parts on e-bay, making upgrading an easy and fun part of owning your PC.
And what is this about PC's being hard to use? The kind of people who are going to buy an XBOX 360 (i.e. hardcore gamers) are the same kind of people who know how to use PC's, so it's a dead point there.
As for price, we already established that the PC offers up more than enough options that the XBOX can't to wipe that point out. Like I said earlier, can an XBOX burn DVD's, browse the web, chat via MSN and play music all while downloading the latest movie on a torrent??
Ah...NO, I think not. |
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
21 July 2008
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But thats not what we're comparing. It's gaming ability vs gaming ability. Chances are console owners already have a PC for DVD burning etc.
Xbox 360 = $350 - Easy to setup, easy to use, no need to worry about FPS or compatability
PC = $1500+ - Harder to setup, requires tweaking to get decent FPS, may not be compatible depending on setup
Yes, you can sell and upgrade, but if you kept the specs the same, the Xbox would win. Why? Because the developers optimise the game for that console and ensure it plays the best possible graphics at high FPS. On the other hand, the code for PC isn't as optimised due to the array of configurations possible.
Even with your example, the 7800GTX can't do DX10, and would have cost a fortune back in its day. Not to mention that the Xbox would play modern games at a better level than it because of optimisation. Yes, you can make it look prettier on the PC, but it'll be a slideshow. Furthermore, if you upgrade and sell, you will still end up paying more than the selling price, so the cost goes up. For $350, you can go buy a basic PC for $500 with the $1150 change, and still be $650 ahead.
I'm not against PCs, like I said before, I use mine for games too. But the argument about price vs performance will always go to a console, even if the graphics aren't as good. Just look at an Xbox 360 playing Gears of War, the graphics aren't anything short of amazing. And for $350, you're laughing. |
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Jim.Dude
21 July 2008
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Even if we we're to leave aside the many other uses a PC offers and just compare gaming ability, the XBOX still losses since it can't run DX10 games, which is what all the newest games are being written in.
Lol, I remember when Crysis first appeared, they had to make a special version just to get it to run on the XBOX. So what's the point of that? You have an XBOX, but you gotta wait months before you can play any new game??
And sure, you'll get better FPS but so what? Like I said, my PS1 has awesome FPS, but the graphics are rubbish. 80+ FPS is just redundant if it looks like shite.
Besides which, we all know the facts about FPS and the human eye! It's been sad about a bizzillion times...
Here, follow this link, it's a little program that plays two images side by side, one at 60 FPS the other at 30 FPS. There is NO discernible difference.
http://www.tweakguides.com/files/FPS...e_v05_beta.zip
Bummer, it won't allow hotlinking. :-P Well, nvm the program. Just hit youtube up if you really want.
Edited by Jim.Dude: 21/7/2008 10:55:07 PM |
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
22 July 2008
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There is a difference between 30FPS and 60FPS, even if you can't see it, your brain does. That's when migraines start to kick in. The human eye sees things at about 75FPS (give or take) so this is what you want to aim for. Apart from that, you are correct in saying that the console cannot play DX10 games. But your 7800GTX can't either. Nevertheless, the graphics are still good with DX9 anyway, so it's not a huge loss. I established PCs have better graphics before, my point is that consoles are better for the average consumer. |
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Jim.Dude
22 July 2008
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Despite my efforts, I could not find any evidence to suggest that playing games at a frame rate less than 75FPS causes headaches. Maybe you could send the link?
And no, my 7800 doesn't support DX10, but at any time I could slap an 8800 in there and be away...an XBOX can't do that. You'll have to replace the entire system.
I also hear Age of Conan is pretty cool (although I'm not huge on RPG), can it be played on the XBOX? Oh sure, just not until somewhere in 2009... :-P |
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Slatts
23 July 2008
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LOL I remember when this thread was about building s $1500 gaming machine |
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
23 July 2008
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Jim.Dude wrote:
I also hear Age of Conan is pretty cool (although I'm not huge on RPG), can it be played on the XBOX? Oh sure, just not until somewhere in 2009... :-P
I also hear that its so buggy that it'll take until 2009 to fix it. ;) |
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bbjai
23 July 2008
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I think you guys are arguing a moot point. The large majority of people don't use their computers for gaming, they use it for work or for internet and thats it. They then proceed to their TV and play PS3, Wii and Xbox games. Its how most of the world works. Its because as mentioned above, the consoles are easy to setup, the computers are easy to set up for the net and office and usually it just works.
Now instead you geta $1,500 worth of parts for a PC and try and set it up, customize, fiddle, overclock etc.......seriously who the hell does that in the whole scheme of the majority of the population and hence sales and revenue of the business. I would be willing to gather that its less then 10% of the whole market, at max 25% of the market. Im sure someone from PC Authority will destroy me. But look at the Wii games, they sell like hotcakes and make a crap load of money for Nintendo. PC games on the other hand are pirated, hacked, homebrewed to Kingdom come.
At the end of the day consoles are sold more widely for games. When games like Civ start porting over and treating the console platform as the only platform you know that the world is changing and the PC may no longer produce the best games. |
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Jim.Dude
23 July 2008
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The VAST, VAST majority of people don't overclock anything.
Although that's yet another advantage of a computer, can't overclock an XBOX! :p |
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OZSlayer
28 July 2008
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$1500 gaming system are a reality right now, most of the new gigabyte motherboards with inbuilt GPU's will play all but the new games (some at at low fps)These allow us PC builder to give great value to our customers. When they are ready they can easily upgrade the GPU by plugging in a new card and turning off the on-board GPU.
I do upgrades for under $600 dollars that are better now than ever before. Aussie dollars still going up so it will get even better.
( I spent $4500 wholesale on min, I love gaming)
PC gaming still is growing strong with more and more new to the PC world taking the plunge for the first time.
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
28 July 2008
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OZSlayer wrote:$1500 gaming system are a reality right now, most of the new gigabyte motherboards with inbuilt GPU's will play all but the new games (some at at low fps)These allow us PC builder to give great value to our customers. When they are ready they can easily upgrade the GPU by plugging in a new card and turning off the on-board GPU.
I do upgrades for under $600 dollars that are better now than ever before. Aussie dollars still going up so it will get even better.
( I spent $4500 wholesale on min, I love gaming)
PC gaming still is growing strong with more and more new to the PC world taking the plunge for the first time.
Inbuilt is pretty rubbish for gaming, but I agree that $1500 gets you a respectable gaming system. |
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Jim.Dude
28 July 2008
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Yeah I'm inclined to agree with ya on that one, although it is good to see nVidia jumping on board that trend. Who knows, maybe they'll develop some decent mid-range on board alternatives one day? |
