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Mossy
Apr 10, 2008 9:04 AM
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Its great that dvd's play "out of the box", but please remind people, particularly non-computer literate types, that Vista Home DOES NOT play DVD's "out of the box"
Comment made about the PC Authority article:
XP vs. VISTA?
Still not sure whether it's worth upgrading to Vista? We put XP and Vista through the ultimate face-off.
What do you think? Join the discussion. |
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geller
Apr 10, 2008 9:28 AM
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goood point, it's really annoying. I think Vista Ultimate does? |
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
Apr 10, 2008 12:57 PM
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geller wrote:goood point, it's really annoying. I think Vista Ultimate does?
Yep, so does Home Premium. |
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nix
Apr 10, 2008 2:12 PM
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I think most people would have Home Premium, but DVD playback does seem like a pretty crap thing to rob Home Basic users of. |
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andrino
May 25, 2008 9:06 PM
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I have hated Xp for a long long time. Cd burners AND Dvd burners have been around for a long time, yet, I still have issues with these items in Xp! I have a Cd burner AND a Dvd burner in my pc, yet XP behaves like it doesn't know what to do and stalls my Quad pc! What feels like an eternity later, it recognises on of them, sheesh. Now I am starting to dislike Vista, not brecause its bad, rather what Microsoft have done to a/ cripple all the new technology and then b/use absolute short sited markerting. No wonder software manufacturers have waited before introducing drivers and such, how many variations do they have to contend with. Much better to wait it out. Man I have had a 64bit enabled PC fc for at least 3 yrs, yet the software just drags. C/ how many arse hole venders out there say Vista enabled when they really mean vista 32 enabled! |
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AndyTRX
May 30, 2008 5:08 PM
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I own a small engineering business and have been using Vista Business for 2 months. I run 2 PC's side by side, one with Vista and one with XP. My experience has been that Vista is very fragile. I reboot the Vista machine 7 times a week due to programs locking up for mins at a time or losing network access out of the blue, but the XP is very stable. So for all the eye candy in Vista I prefer a stable platform. I am dumping Vista and going back to XP. |
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yasbad
Jun 2, 2008 3:02 PM
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I've been using vista on my laptop for about 14 months now, i don't understand why people have so many problems with vista, i've had to do not real extra maintenance on vista then i would have had to do on a XP install. |
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forecoms
Jun 13, 2008 2:30 PM
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As an IT consultant I get to see the worst side of Microsoft products. All my experiences with Vista to date have been extremely negative. I have to quote at least double the time to do any work on Vista. As an example a client required some software to be installed. To install the software on Vista took 4 hours. To take Vista off and install XP Professional and the software only 2 hours.
I have had the misfortune of having to install Office 2003 on a number of Vista PCs and each time it has taken almost 2 hours with XP it takes about 20 minutes at the most.
I am glad to hear that Microsoft have finally admitted Vista is a huge problem with no way to fix the problems and has now fast tracked the development of the Visa replacement and extended the availability of XP Professional. The Vista replacement I believe is due next year.
I have not had anyone I know of with Vista say anything good about it. NOT ONE.
Vista has done wonders for the Apple Mac sales which continue to skyrocket since the introduction of Vista. |
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Mjhieu
Jun 20, 2008 3:19 AM
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Oh as an IT programer I haven't got any problem with vista OS. After more than 1 years worked and played with Vista, I figure out that Vista's better than XP a lot, if you know how to deal with it by your knowledge in order to have a perfect OS environment. I wear that I never go back XP, just think of XP that make me boring ^^. Yeah so many years stay with xp, now it's time to say farewell to XP.
My system that work excellent with Vista Ultimate:
Quad Core Q6600 (overlocked 3.7ghz), ATI card Saphire Hd3850, 2gb DDram II (overlocked dual bus 1080), Mobo DFI Lanparty P35.
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=370058 |
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alabama
Jul 7, 2008 12:21 PM
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As just a home user, I am so confused as to wether to put Vista on my computer. I own a copy, but was talked into not putting it on yet until the probs with it were ironed out. One person seems happy the next not? Totally confused. |
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
Jul 7, 2008 12:45 PM
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alabama wrote:As just a home user, I am so confused as to wether to put Vista on my computer. I own a copy, but was talked into not putting it on yet until the probs with it were ironed out. One person seems happy the next not? Totally confused.
What are the specifications of your system? |
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ron4ld
Jul 7, 2008 4:32 PM
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I still prefer XP as it is faster. |
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Morrell
Jul 7, 2008 4:39 PM
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:d I have a VISTA laptop and for the most part it is great for my business.
Of course I have XP desktops that also work well.
The trick to avoid all those nasty Vista problems, is to start with a new Vista ready computer. Vista is so big you need 2GB main RAM for it to work well. So if you want the latest version of Windows you need the latest frame to fit it into. New Windows; New hardware.
Cheers |
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aidee
Jul 7, 2008 5:08 PM
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I just removed Vista and loaded XP back on my notebook. Everything is so much faster and my Telstra Wireless Broadband no longer freezes. It's amazing how quickly it boots up now. |
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Faustino
Jul 7, 2008 5:20 PM
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In the article, Vista outscores XP. However, the Vista advantage is almost entirely in areas of little value to me. For my uses, your XP scores beat Vista. Vista offers nothing that I want - I'll stick with XP, thanks. |
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
Jul 7, 2008 5:23 PM
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Once again, it depends on the specifications. Vista is better for multi-core systems with lots of GPU grunt. 4GB of RAM is recommended, 2GB is fine, but the more the better.
Vista has a better CPU scheduler that XP which is great for multi-core CPUs. It also loads commonly used software into RAM so software loads faster (hence it's reputation of being a memory hog).
XP is great for older systems, but you'd be crazy not to go 64-bit Vista on a new system. Unless, of course, you're using incompatible software. |
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jammer
Jul 7, 2008 6:03 PM
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I recently bought 2 new computers (my old ones were both stolen), one with vista Business and the other with Premium. Initially had qualms about using these but quickly adjusted to them and do now prefer Vista to XP. Search functions are excellent and the interface is pretty and practical. I do agree that change is not always the best thing but it is guaranteed to happen. Our function is to adapt to it rather than trying to perpetuate the past. |
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OZSlayer
Jul 7, 2008 6:29 PM
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For gaming vista is too slow, your FPS will drop compared to XP. lol The most annoying part of vista is the they thought it would be good to rename everything to make it seem new.lol
There are plenty of free DVD software programs out there like VideoLAN - VLC media player and can be found here.
http://www.videolan.org/
Edited by OZSLayer: 7/7/2008 06:32:16 PM |
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
Jul 7, 2008 6:33 PM
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OZSlayer wrote:The most annoying part of vista is the they thought it would be good to rename everything to make it seem new.lol
That's because it is new. ;) |
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disco
Jul 8, 2008 11:19 AM
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I bought a new PC (my build specs) with the latest of everything six months ago and I had Vista Home Premium. I had to reload the damn thing every month due to blue screens and the system would never shut down properly. I went back to XP and have not had any issues. |
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
Jul 8, 2008 11:22 AM
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That sounds like driver issues. |
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cwtears
Jul 8, 2008 11:40 AM
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I run a small computer business so I do have a little experience in the hardware and software area.I think the Vista Xp battle is a bit like the Ford Holden one. If you started with one type you are usually quite happy with it and don't want to change. In the case of the Vista XP battle it comes down to what you want to use your system for and how old the software is. A lot of my customers use old accounting and business software which will just not work with Vista and when you have invested thousands of dollars in some cases, it is quite reasonable not to want to spend more. In some rare cases it is just not possible to get an update so XP is the only way to go. If you started with Vista and you use Vista compatible software and hardware you will have no problems. So there is no real difference between the two systems. Going back to the car analogy, you wouldn't use a low slung sports car to go off road so why use software that is not really suited to the task at hand. |
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
Jul 8, 2008 11:44 AM
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That is correct. Vista is designed for new systems which need an updated OS to manage the several cores and new APIs. People who have a vendetta against Vista are ignorant, because it is the OS to use. XP SP3 is fine for older machines and software, but to inform people not to buy it alongside a new system is plain stupid. |
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wwwalker
Jul 8, 2008 11:45 AM
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Vista is very slow for Adobe CS3. I had to revert to XP for a customer. XP is much faster. The machine was a very fast quadcore Dell, so it does not matter what hardware you throw at Vista, it is still slow.
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
Jul 8, 2008 11:55 AM
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What specifications was it? If you don't mind sharing. |
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OZSlayer
Jul 8, 2008 2:30 PM
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Its is ignorant to ignore the facts. I build top end gaming systems for customers who expect the best and to this day Vista is not better by a long way. Its a mix of old XP code and new buggy code that isn't working well yet.
Dell brought back XP due to huge amount of complaints from its customers and drop in sales.
Microsoft even printed more copies of XP after they said there would be no more. Yes I am a Microsoft System Builder but I deliver what's best for my customers first.
For all new 64 bit systems the Windows XP Pro 64 bit edition will blow away Vista Ultimate on all new systems and is rock solid. Its hard to justify the expense of the Vista install and not see any gain in performance but a loss. If you like pretty new vista icons you can get many skins for XP that will make it look the same.
I am sure like when XP was released it will improve in time.Just because it new don't make it good.lol
By the way Vista will run on most older systems if the drivers have been released.
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
Jul 8, 2008 3:03 PM
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Vista is hardly "a mix of old XP code and new buggy code that isn't working well". Vista is pretty much a new rewrite. That being said, if your customers want XP, that's their decision.
Vista SP1 is excellent in my experience, and people on the Atomic forums agree (and no, they aren't n00bs, neither do they care about the GUI). It's a better system in terms of stability and security. Performance is closing into XP, and Vista 64bit is more responsive and compatible than XP 64bit will ever be.
It's personal preference, but there's no doubt that Vista is the future. |
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djaef
Jul 8, 2008 3:06 PM
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I am into the GUI, as well as performance and security, and I've had Vista for at least 6 months. From my perspective, Vista is fine. No crashes, very stable, solid security, excellent interface, I have XP on another pc, and I wouldn't go back for all the world. |
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pipette
Jul 8, 2008 3:53 PM
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glad I came across this thread. I am contemplating a lappie which most come loaded with Vista. I have only heard negative about Vista being slow etc etc so this is great to read and get wider reviews. The lappie will not be used for business which is why I am getting one and keeping business on the pc with xp and office pro 2007. |
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
Jul 8, 2008 4:04 PM
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Try it out and see how you go. Hopefully the lappy you get isn't preloaded with junk, because that can degrade the system. |
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cheree71
Jul 8, 2008 8:19 PM
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I have used both operating systems but find XP far superior. I don't see a problem with Vista, however, the changes are aesthetic and were not really needed. I had one hell of an experience with Millenium with its constant crashing and with 98 and the active desktop issue and was suspect of XP when it first came out so I kept an open mind with Vista because of how well it worked out with XP. It is very pretty but ultimately it is a revenue pull, that's it. You basically have to have all new specifically designed hardware to get great performance. Vista was a response to a widening market for Macs, trying to get newly converted Mac lovers back to the fold. I have XP and although I like Vista, I wont be upgrading until I absolutely have to and so many people I know have downgraded to XP I am resolute.
But it is all a mute point really with XP reaching the end of its SDLC and the last of the updates released. All of us PC users, if we wish to stay secure online, will have to go Vista or in another way, Linux or Mac etc. |
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
Jul 8, 2008 8:24 PM
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cheree71 wrote:It is very pretty but ultimately it is a revenue pull, that's it. You basically have to have all new specifically designed hardware to get great performance. Vista was a response to a widening market for Macs, trying to get newly converted Mac lovers back to the fold.
It was obviously created to make money, after all, Microsoft is a business. But it is also structurally better, not just its aesthetics, as I've pointed out in previous posts. It's a whole new OS, targeted at new technology. The OS is modular now, it's more secure, it's very stable, and it's based on the famous NT kernal albeit much improved.
The GUI is one thing, but under the covers, it's a whole new system. :) |
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Jawsh
Jul 9, 2008 3:16 PM
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Personally I prefer the Vista platform over XP. Sure Vista does chug if its not running with 1GB + of RAM (which, lets get real, with current RAM prices, 2GB of ram isn't a lot).
However the overall package is prettier, more functional (imho) and more immune to forms of malware straight out of the box.
If you want a real desktop OS try installing Server 2008 and converting it into a desktop 'super' OS (http://www.win2008workstation.com/wordpress/). My PC runs so much more efficiently than Vista, still has *almost* the same features (bar Media Center) and still keeps all the server features that you want to install.
Edited by jawsh: 9/7/2008 04:08:24 PM |
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tastynoodle
Jul 9, 2008 8:30 PM
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Vista is suck so damm slow
i bought a laptop and it comes with Vista Business i used it for about a month then i can't bear it anymore i had to change to XP which is lots faster and better (now i have XP SP3) nice
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
Jul 9, 2008 8:36 PM
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I have no idea why some companies insisted on putting Vista on low end laptops. Especially when it's full of extra junk. |
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Graham
Jul 14, 2008 10:18 AM
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I'm a XP Pro user and I've heard nothing good about Vista, so why can't Microsoft programers combine the best of XP with Vista and give us a system thats safe and works. kiss is the best policy |
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
Jul 14, 2008 10:20 AM
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You've heard nothing good about Vista because most people are stuck with the February 2007 mentality. Try it for yourself, and you decide. |
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Jawsh
Jul 14, 2008 10:55 AM
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:. wrote:You've heard nothing good about Vista because most people are stuck with the February 2007 mentality. Try it for yourself, and you decide.
Quote from truth. |
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bbjai
Jul 14, 2008 11:56 AM
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I don't think Windows Vista is that bad to be honest. I've used it quite alot on my laptop(which it came supplied with) and I use XP a fair bit on my desktop computers and work computers. The difference is minimal to be honest. I had trouble at the beginning with the Wireless Networking but that seems to be fixed, done and dusted. Sure it does feel slightly sluggish, but to be honest XP has had a massive run with heaps of performance updates so if it didn't kick Vista's ass it would be a joke.
If you do get Vista run all the updates you get with it. That should solve most of the issues related to the system. 64 bit is a bit of a different story, its not that Vista 64 bit is bad, but there are no drivers for anything out there with it. Case in point wireless network cards. I had to go buy a generic Shintaro Wireless N card for my friends computer because nearly none of the respected brand names have drivers for Windows Vista 64 bit. I think alot of Vista's problems actually stem for lazy development of drivers that rest on the shoulders of the producers of parts and peripherals. Most of the initial problems most people complain about is not being able to work their current hardware with it not oh this OS is HORRIBLE to use. |
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Robert
Jul 14, 2008 3:26 PM
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XP or Vista in my experience Vista is OK on a standalone system that is not used for storing images, but I could never recommend it in a business environment.
I have been working to integrate Vista with an existing XP environment, Ok I got a lot of NetWare and Solaris on the back end, thank god.
I am still having compatibility issues with some major bit of software from some big names, though is is getting better but very slowly. I was a bit unsure about XP when it came out but software compatibility for the was quickly fixed.
My own workstation is Vista but I do 90% of my "Administration" in a VM XP environment and it I want to access the network drives quickly I use XP as Vista is painfully slow and if it is a large data volume, excess of a couple of TB, Vista takes forever to open it.
Even with all the patches and updates I can run the Vista station more than a few day without needing to reboot.
As I said Vista maybe OK for Home but I would not trust it in a business network environment. |
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MIT COMPUTER ESSENTIALS
Jul 14, 2008 5:07 PM
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HEW! FOR ME THE GREATEST OPERATING SYSTEM THAT I HAVE ENCOUNTERED IS THE WINDOWS XP SERVICE PACK 3. UNLIKE VISTA, IT HAS MANY FUNCTIONS AND IT WORKS BETTER AND HAS A COOL ENVIRONMENT, XP HAS ALSO FUNCTIONALITIES LIKE VISTA AND IT IS TWO TIMES FASTER AND COOL DESIGN AND MY OLD AND NEW PROGRAMS/HARDWARE ARE PERFECTLY COMPATIBLE. I HOPE THERE WILL BE A WINDOWS XP SERVICE PACK 4. I HAVE HEARD THAT WINDOWS SEVEN WILL BE RELEASED IN 2010 BUT I STILL PREFER IN XP SP4 IF BECAUSE SEVEN MIGHT BE THE SAME THING WITH VISTA WITH MANY INCOMPATIBILIES WITH SOFTWARE AND HARDWARE. THEREFORE WINDOWS XP SERVICE PACK 3 IS BETTER THAN VISTA!!! |
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Jawsh
Jul 15, 2008 2:50 PM
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bbjai
Jul 15, 2008 3:33 PM
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you know whats really funny with XP SP3
It doesn't work on eTax08 from the Tax office |
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Vincent49
Jul 15, 2008 5:49 PM
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Let's face it, Vista is here to stay. As an early adopter of technology, I find learning Vista 64-bit a good challenge, particularly with drivers only now coming to the fore after 18 months since the Vista release. I look forward to the time when 64-bit applications become more widespread.
All said and done, Vista is bloatware, but we need an operating system to take advantage of advances in hardware. PCs are now being configured with 1TB Hard Drives, more that 4G of system memory, 1G Video Cards, blue-ray read-writers, wireless keyboards and mice, web-cams, etc. The mangement of these devices is where Windows has been heading for many years, eye candy and all. |
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mmshabeer
Jul 16, 2008 4:35 PM
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Interesting note :
6 months I planned to buy a laptop and rejected Dell Inspiron just for not supproting XP and bought Dell Latitude. Still I like the way XP handles UI,memory Management and Security.
Vista has more features in it. The reason being Vista occupies larger part of RAM loaded with bundles of software which people seldom use. Annoyning popups even a simple folder creation. Deviates from normal windows operations prevents being user friendly.
Yes I do agree Vista has enhanced security features,but that cannot dethrone XP overnight. Even Larger corporate sectors are still with XP and refusing to accept Vista. |
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
Jul 16, 2008 4:45 PM
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mmshabeer wrote:Interesting note :
6 months I planned to buy a laptop and rejected Dell Inspiron just for not supproting XP and bought Dell Latitude. Still I like the way XP handles UI,memory Management and Security.
Vista has more features in it. The reason being Vista occupies larger part of RAM loaded with bundles of software which people seldom use. Annoyning popups even a simple folder creation. Deviates from normal windows operations prevents being user friendly.
Yes I do agree Vista has enhanced security features,but that cannot dethrone XP overnight. Even Larger corporate sectors are still with XP and refusing to accept Vista.
Vista doesn't really use much RAM, it caches commonly used programs to increase their launch speed. |
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Slatts
Jul 16, 2008 8:28 PM
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So what's it going to be?
XP Home?
Xp Pro?
XP Pro 64 bit?
Vista starter? Oh. not for sale in Aus.:(
Vista Home Basic?
Vista Home Premium?
Vista business?
Vista ultimate?
Would you like 64bit with that?
How about small business server 08? I've seen it written that with its superior memory management it would make a kickass gaming OS
Of course I'm writing this on a compaq armada 1750 that I resurrected and loaded 98se on. don't ask me ;) |
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avidreader
Jul 18, 2008 10:50 AM
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As a home PC user I have tried Vista on 4 occasions and after a short while re-install XP. I find that Vista is a lot more troublesome and it's not always easy to find drivers, as well as some older software refusing to run under this OS.
I will be glad when Microsoft finally release the final version of Vista as the version out there at the moment was just a way of quietening the mob as they kept delaying the release date due to problems.
Till then I will be sticking with XP as it's tried and true. |
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PC-H4x0r
Jul 18, 2008 1:13 PM
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XP is not 2 times faster than Vista, this is a ridiculous statement in general. Forgive me for assuming but are you running old hardware? I ask this because Vista is much more efficient on new hardware than XP. The CPU scheduler in Vista is far superior to that of XP, and handles threading between cores much more effectively. This is why, if you have a quad core CPU in your computer, Vista is a much better OS to use, because you will literally get more performance out of it.
Secondly, Vista does actually require more RAM than XP. No shit Sherlock, almost every program that gets a newer version requires more resources; it’s the way it is. But bare in mind, they don’t do this thinking “hehehe we’ll make them get more RAM” What would be the point of that. Vista requires more RAM because it caches the most common used programs and services on start up, so that you don’t have to wait for a long time when actually opening the program. Trying to RUN Vista on 512mb is suicide for your PC, but if you have 512mb of RAM then you sure as hell need an upgrade.
I’m not sure where you got the idea that Vista doesn’t have many functionalities. I have yet to encounter a functionality that XP has that Vista doesn’t. I myself like to watch movies, however I have an 8800GT which has HDCP output, XP doesn’t. So I can actually watch Blue Ray on my machine because Vista supports it.
You mention things such as functionality, compatibility yet you don’t actually give any examples of this. Did you know nVidia concentrate more than 70% of their driver development on Vista, and wouldn’t they, do you really think that they would put their effort into an 8 year old, out dated OS?
Windows XP SP4? God help us. I wonder if you know, Vista also recently got a service pack released. It fixes up a lot of what people were complaining about (no you still can’t run it on a P3, stop dreaming). So now there is really no reason not to go to Vista, it’s a good, solid OS that has support for drivers and software all around, it has the functionality of XP and more.
And if you are wondering about UAC, that’s so simple to disable, that I don’t know what people complain about.
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phealey79
Jul 18, 2008 1:34 PM
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Well, I have been using Vista ultimate 64bit for 1 year now and I am a very regular Gamer. No issues Here. |
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DaFiz
Jul 18, 2008 2:21 PM
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XP is still the better choice.
If I wanted all the driver incompatibility problems and software not working properly than, I would install linux.
And why the need to make everything harder to find, and change the naming of UI options, etc... again if I wanted such a big change in user friendliness I would install linux.
But having said all that I do use Vista at home on my Media Centre PC, because it is the best option I have found for Digital TV by far.
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OZSlayer
Jul 23, 2008 7:15 PM
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If Vista is so much better then why did Microsoft change their minds on not releasing any more copies of XP soon. Due to the world wide customer rejection of Vista. Including DELL.
The facts are on any new system Vista in any of its forms will be out performed by XP 64bit. To go backwards cause its new is just silly.
To back up my claim which I have seen many times first hand. Check out Tomshardware review. Its very clear.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/xp-vs-vista,1531-4.html
Cyber do you work for MS marketing by any chance. |
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
Jul 23, 2008 7:23 PM
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Firstly, that review was done 16 months ago. That means drivers were crummy, and the OS was brand new. Now with SP1, and decent drivers, the OS runs perfectly fine. They brought back XP because people wanted it. More sales = more money, and that's all they care about.
No I don't work for MS. I just hate when people regurgitate rubbish which is no longer true. If you haven't used it extensively, then I believe you have no right to express an opinion on its functionality. And that's my general view with all software/hardware. I'm not a fanboy for anyone, I just state the facts. After all, why would I speak greatly of a company? There's no benefit to me either way, so I tell it how it is. |
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bbjai
Jul 23, 2008 7:42 PM
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The driver issue is alot better to be honest, I built a machine for a friend like 1 month ago and there was no issues with the drivers for Windows 64bit. The issue arose with the existing wireless internet card he had (three years old) there were no windows Vista drivers for it at all. At the end of the day it appears like Belkin hasn't bothered at all with writing drivers for their wireless cards. Which I think clearly is not Microsoft's fault. Vista has been out for a good year or so and one driver or so for Windows Vista 64 bit is pathetic. If i had to put up a production rate like that at work I would be fired.
I think the majority of Vista's problems come from lazy manufacturers who clearly don't give too tosses. |
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Slatts
Jul 23, 2008 8:44 PM
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A few years ago when I bought this machine I sent away to MS for the 64 bit version of XP pro. It was a free (read $20US P&H) upgrade for the 32 bit version when it first came out. At the time the net was full of horror stories about drivers for the 64 bit version so I never loaded it. What's the story now? Do you think I'd see any benefit from changing to it? |
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
Jul 23, 2008 9:21 PM
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XP 64bit isn't the best. I'd stick with 32bit. Vista 64bit is great, however. |
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Slatts
Jul 23, 2008 9:47 PM
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:. wrote:XP 64bit isn't the best. I'd stick with 32bit. Vista 64bit is great, however.
Good enough for me then. I've got a clean install 32 bit image on a partition on this machine on this machine. I don't look forward to doing a fresh install of the 64 bit OS](*,)
BTW, when did you ascend to moderatorness? |
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
Jul 23, 2008 10:04 PM
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Slatts wrote:
BTW, when did you ascend to moderatorness?
Yesterday. :)
Notice the lack of spam? :P |
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OZSlayer
Jul 23, 2008 10:28 PM
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:. wrote:XP 64bit isn't the best. I'd stick with 32bit. Vista 64bit is great, however.
A more recent test comparing XP and Vista. Its getting better but to upgrade and still see very little improvement if at all. View here
Yes cyber I have extensive experience with Vista and like was said at the last MS meet gamers will not be interested in the upgrade. So don't be a fool and assume that you know me. lol
You run some benchmarks on your system like Extremetech did and you will see the light.
I give my customers good value, but there was one business customer who insisted that they have all their systems upgraded. Not long after we reformatted back to XP. They have seen the light and a huge bill which in the end delivered only continuous issues. Real world case. If I had no morals I would have kept on with Vista as I was getting call outs all the time.
What the point of recommending a OS when the hardware manufactures are not putting out drivers for new equipment due to constant issues with Vista.
May be after some time Vista will improve but I know one customer who has lost interest.
By the way I have only had one call out since the reinstall of XP SP3. If you don't care about costs and can afford replace anything that don't have Vista drivers then may be you are the perfect MS Vista customer after all all they want is your money.
XP was reprinted after Dell told MS that they were looking to Linux like the new EEPC.
Quote:The Future of Windows XP
With the June 30, 2008, "end of sales" date for Windows XP approaching, many people have asked me if they will still be able to get support for Windows XP. The answer is an emphatic "yes, you will continue to be supported." We recently released Service Pack 3 for Windows XP and we will continue to provide security updates and other critical updates for Windows XP until April, 2014. Our ongoing support for Windows XP is the result of our recognition that people keep their Windows-based PCs for many years and a reflection of our commitment to provide the highest level of support for all our customers.
The other question people ask is whether they will be able to buy PCs with Windows XP after June 30. The answer again is "yes." It's true that we will stop selling Windows XP as a retail packaged product and stop licensing it directly to major PC manufacturers. But customers who still need Windows XP will be able to get it. For example:
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For businesses small to large, buying Windows Vista Business or Windows Vista Ultimate provides the option to use Windows XP Professional through a customer benefit known as "downgrade rights." Downgrade rights are also available to all business customers that license Windows, such as Windows Vista Enterprise, through our Microsoft Volume Licensing programs. In addition, some of our OEM partners are planning to offer services designed to help business customers that buy these versions of Windows Vista on new PCs to exercise their downgrade rights. This is a great value because it lets you use Windows XP on new PCs today if you need it and then make the move to take advantage of the additional capabilities of Windows Vista when you are ready, without having to pay for an upgrade.
If you're interested in learning more about how to get Windows XP Professional through downgrade rights, contact your favorite PC maker.
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As our next generation PC platform, Windows Vista has many advantages that make it the best choice for people who are buying a new Windows-based PC to use at home or in a small business. However, some small business customers may have applications that aren't compatible with Windows Vista. In most cases, your software vendor should have an updated version of these applications. In the case that you still need Windows XP Professional as noted above, you can purchase Windows Vista Business or Windows Vista Ultimate on a new PC and then use downgrade rights until you are ready to upgrade to Windows Vista. When you are ready, you are "future proofed" since you already have a license for Windows Vista.
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For customers interested in buying a low-end personal computer (often referred to as a "NetBook" or "NetTop"), we are making Windows XP Home and Windows XP Starter available for use on these budget systems. Additionally, System Builders (sometimes referred to as "local OEMs"), may continue to purchase Windows XP through Authorized Distributors through January 31, 2009. All OEMs, including major OEMs, have this option.
Bill Veghte
Senior Vice President
Microsoft Corporation
See even Microsoft are sitting on the fence after the backlash that Vista received after its release. As I install mainly OEM MS products XP will be around for me to install for some time yet.
Vista is not as secure as Windows 2000 which most Corps are still using. read this here
I hope you are talking from many years of working experience in the PC trade which could be hard seeing you are only 17. lol. Don't be afraid to listen especially if you want to be a creditable PC article writer.
Edited by OZSlayer: 23/7/2008 10:36:18 PM
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bbjai
Jul 23, 2008 11:03 PM
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OZ Slayer im curious to know, how many of your customers are on the other hand adopting Office 2007? |
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OZSlayer
Jul 24, 2008 12:23 AM
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Hi mate,
Office 2007 (bit off topic)
I have only installed it on new systems and not upgraded anyone at this point. I find my customers are less likely to upgrade early if they are happy with the existing version. When new systems are added ten they go with the 2007 version.
The compatibility pack the MS put out works well when adding a new system to a domain with 2003 Office or earlier version.
The Microsoft Office code writers are separate from the Vista team and are quicker to respond and help sort issues with Office and always have been in the past. They are coding mainly for the higher end of the market which is reflected in the pricing and quality of their first release's.
Make sure you install all the patches to keep your system secure. As always this is the way as hackers find new ways to get in.
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bbjai
Jul 24, 2008 10:23 AM
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ah yes
because I work for a fairly large firm in the city and they have been talking about adopting Office 2007. Personally I've used it for a while and I've found it was alot better then 2003 (go the $75 Office 2007 ultimate offer for school and university people).
I find it amazing that the Vista response has far outweighed the brilliant product that Office 2007 is. I thought it might get the same negative response that Vista may have also received. But I guess not. Personally I don't mind Vista at the moment. I mean I understand where your coming from with your discussion on drivers being that Vista is unstable. But I look at the entire section of Wireless network PCI cards and I find little or no drivers for Vista 64 Bit. We aren't even talking about 32 Bit. With the massive advent of 4GB ram and in the near future 8GB you would figure they would make drivers for the only good stable 64 Bit OS out there. My friend has been using it for a while and it hasn't really given him that many problems.
I fail to see why they don't make drivers for it to be honest, for something so simple as a PCI Wireless card which most people would be looking to put on their new machine (which happens to most probably ship with Vista) |
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
Jul 24, 2008 4:12 PM
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OZSlayer wrote:
I hope you are talking from many years of working experience in the PC trade which could be hard seeing you are only 17. lol. Don't be afraid to listen especially if you want to be a creditable PC article writer.
Age means nothing. I have 10 years of experience, and a good part of this has been with trained professionals and enthusiasts. I personally find Vista to be the better OS, provided you check for compatibility issues before committing to it. If you want to keep XP, that's fine, but there's no doubt that Vista is the better OS for new PCs. I find Vista more stable than XP too. Yes it is slower in some regards, but overall it's a more pleasurable experience. Even that link proves that there's basically no gaming performance difference, unless you have an older system which requires low-detail. Then again, I recommended XP for low-end PCs. I know many PC designers which insist on Vista, and they have several years of experience. ;)
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chava
Jul 25, 2008 11:11 PM
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It is pretty simple , why many people opt for xp instead of vista, First of all vista takes away alot of the freedom xp has given the personal computer user. a good analogy is firefox vs IE . xp can suit various user being user friendly with good security. Vista takes up more of the cpu,memory,speed, with out reliability, and compatibility. thus making it slower than xp.vista is loaded with bugs, while xp has learned to be ammune. Sure vista looks good, but whats under the hood that counts when its a race for time and dependability. Hasta la vista, vista |
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Jim.Dude
Jul 26, 2008 1:11 AM
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Bah, pointless discussion. Windows 7 will be released long before Vista Pista ever improves enough to kill off XP. |
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geller
Jul 26, 2008 10:36 AM
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Jim.Dude wrote:Bah, pointless discussion. Windows 7 will be released long before Vista Pista ever improves enough to kill off XP.
you may be right, thought it's looking like 2010 - Windows 7 on track for 2010 |
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Jim.Dude
Jul 26, 2008 11:24 AM
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Looks like they've finally learned their lesson as well, sell when it's ready and not before!
"...if I wanted to start selling Windows 7 today, we'd start selling Windows 7 today. Then you'd complain..."
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Slatts
Jul 26, 2008 12:24 PM
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Remember people. We're talking microsoft time here.
5 MS seconds, 4 MS seconds, 5 MS min, etc. |
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ShinHito
Jul 28, 2008 9:43 AM
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I don't care if it's Vista or XP.. Since both can let me connect to the internet so I can post this comment( hoping for the lenovo notebook XD ) |
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vjay
Aug 8, 2008 7:45 PM
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Without reading all of the above commentary I'll throw my 2 cents in and say that XP is a lot better than Vista in my opinion. On my laptop with 2GB DDR2 2.0 duo core etc etc etc Vista ran a lot slower on it than my 'ancient' 5+ yo desktop with 1GB DDR P4 running XP. I gave myself 2 months using Vista so I would have experience with it before I got sick of it and installed XP on the laptop and have never been happier. I predict the next Windows OS will be a major improvement and Vista will be referred to as Windows Me version 2 if it isn't already and be ditched asap by anyone who was lumbered with it on their new at the time operating system. |
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id10t error
Aug 13, 2008 4:19 PM
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I’m a rocket scientist with a post graduate diploma in brain surgery, but I managed to spend a day at tafe a while ago so now I’m an ‘IT consultant’ for hire.
I love reading these debates that come up all over the web and seeing how many other IT specialists (TFPIC) that are out there willing to give there honest and renowned appraisal of the XP/VISTA showdown. Please continue to vent your spleens in vigor at the misgivings of pro VISTA mob. Well I don’t know if being a system home builder qualifies for much in the IT wisdom stakes (probably not), but for what it’s worth I have had nothing but bliss from this OS since February. Yep my walls are still upright and the sky is hasn’t hit me yet. Everything I used on my trusty old XP box runs on me new slick VISTA cube and then some. It loads much quicker, IE7 is faster and it looks great on my LCD. Games run, office runs, ATO software runs, everything adobe runs; I could go on and on and on. So from my muched hyped POV, VISTA ROCKS BABY, (you can quote me on that last statement). So bring on the flames... |
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Slatts
Aug 13, 2008 5:43 PM
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Hey I've got an idea.
Let's not bite.[-( |
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
Aug 13, 2008 6:23 PM
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Slatts wrote:Hey I've got an idea.
Let's not bite.[-(
+1.
Any flaming and this thread is as good as locked. |
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OZSlayer
Aug 17, 2008 10:52 AM
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Microsoft managed to sell an estimated 300,000 copies of Windows XP in the operating system's launch week. In the first week they hit the shelves, Windows 98 was sold in over 400,000 copies. Some 25,000 copies of Windows Vista have been sold every day for a forecasted total of 125,000 in the first week. That is less than even Windows 2000 that scratched the 200,000 units sold milestone. In this context, Vista sales are affected by the operating system's hardware requirements.
Microsoft took a large bite of humble pie this week, announcing that it will continue to support Windows XP until 2014. That’s an unprecedented 13 years from the operating system’s release, a new record for Microsoft’s support of an operating system. It will take the form of critical updates and security patches, but there was no mention of major service pack releases.
Hinting at Microsoft’s embarrassment over the announcement, the news was released via a letter sent from Microsoft senior VP Bill Veghte to customers, rather than a formal press release. Within the letter, Mr Veghte claimed that “Our ongoing support for Windows XP is the result of our recognition that people keep their Windows-based PCs for many years”. Sounds nice, but the truth isn’t quite as charitable. The fact is that Vista simply hasn’t penetrated businesses as quickly as Microsoft would have liked, with many choosing to stick with the proven stability and lower hardware demands of Windows XP.
A senior executive at HP has said that sales of systems of Windows XP still make up the majority, despite the operating system being officially withdrawn from sale in June.
Jane Bradburn, market development manager of commercial notebooks for HP Australia, told media that the company was still selling XP machines, but issuing a Vista licence for them. This casts serious doubts over claims from Microsoft that Vista is selling well.
"From the 30th of June, we have no longer been able to ship a PC with a XP licence," she said.
"However, what we have been able to do with Microsoft is ship PCs with a Vista Business licence but with XP pre-loaded. That is still the majority of business computers we are selling today."
This would mean that in Microsoft’s books the sales would show up as a sale of Vista.
Rob Kingston, group manager of commercial product marketing for HP said: " Looking into a crystal ball, I don't think businesses will see much value in upgrading to Vista until late next year and, even so, Microsoft will probably have come out with something else by then."
Companies are not the only ones less than enamoured with the operating system. Developers are it too.
The news backs up research by Forrester Research analyst Thomas Mendel, which estimates that only 8.8 per cent of enterprises have adopted Vista. This led to an angry response from Microsoft on its Vista blog, claiming that it had sold over 180 million copies of Vista.
“Given that there's a mountain of evidence to refute this report – including multiple reports from Forrester and other top-tier analysts – this appears to be more focused on making sensationalist statements rather than offering a thoughtful industry perspective based on conversations with IT operations professionals or deep knowledge of enterprise deployment cycles,” it said.
“How is this useful guidance to customers? It's disappointing to see such a respected organisation like Forrester take this approach.”
The market has spoken and Vista is still being out sold by XP, I wonder why. lol |
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
Aug 17, 2008 12:13 PM
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OZSlayer wrote:
The market has spoken and Vista is still being out sold by XP, I wonder why. lol
Easy. Because XP works, and implementing a new OS means downtime. It has nothing to do with the quality of Vista. |
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mobilus
Aug 22, 2008 6:37 PM
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I recently ugraded to a high end Dell XPS730 with a quadcore cpu but don't find Vista Ultimate friendly or speedy. It goes to sleep while working and refuses to wake up. Office 2007 programs continually "stop working" and close with the message Windows is trying to find a solution - a restart is the only solution available. It's incredible that MS can't get their own applications to work with Vista! Windows Explorer in XP and previous used to inheret the properties (title, subject, etc) in PDF files and display these but now one has to open the file's properties to see these. My network keeps going missing and I can't connect to external drives or laptop, but then mysteriously reappears from time to time [over a Belkin N1 router]. It is definitely better to activate the Administrator account in order to load new programs, but I've had to buy upgraded versions. I had to go to a beta version of F-Secure-2009 to overcome problems. I had to abandon Steganos Privacy Suite 2008 because the Activation program did not like my setup and tech support couldn't supply an answer. Add-ins to Outlook 2007 and Word and Excell are tempremental at best. |
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Slatts
Aug 22, 2008 7:41 PM
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At the moment I'm down on XP big time. This machine boots to MUP.sys then freezes. It'll boot into safe mode and I've tried rolling back to a previous save with no joy. It still boots into Linux as well which is what I'm typing this in with the you beaut seamonkey browser. I'm going to try booting into the command prompt, rename mup.sys and loading a copy from a backup partition. Wish me luck. I'm going in![-o<
Of course if that dosen't work you'll be seeing me in tech support:( |
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pallen
Aug 25, 2008 12:56 PM
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I certainly don't recommend upgrading to Vista! Any product that doesn't have obvious benefits and sell itself but instead leaves folk having to ask others for reasons(excuses/justification?) to upgrade has not come of age! Maybe when a future Vista (SP2,3,4 ...) with hardware that won't balk at running it comes along I'll change my mind. |
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
Aug 25, 2008 4:23 PM
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pallen wrote:Any product that doesn't have obvious benefits and sell itself but instead leaves folk having to ask others for reasons(excuses/justification?) to upgrade has not come of age!
1. DirectX10
2. Much better security (compared to XP)
3. Native multi-core support in CPU schedualer
In other words, without it, you might as well stick to an older PC. |
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Jim.Dude
Aug 26, 2008 3:38 PM
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:. wrote:pallen wrote:Any product that doesn't have obvious benefits and sell itself but instead leaves folk having to ask others for reasons(excuses/justification?) to upgrade has not come of age! 1. DirectX10 2. Much better security (compared to XP) 3. Native multi-core support in CPU schedualer In other words, without it, you might as well stick to an older PC.
DirectX 10 is crap...hell, it's going to be run over by DX11 before it even becomes mainstream! Poor DX10, it must feel so unloved. :-({|= |
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elmo198
Sep 3, 2008 2:40 PM
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IMHO: Vista is one of the best windows OS you can get atm.. especially those who are fortunate enough to have powerful systems like those found of hardcore gamers.
Vista x64 is, if not probably the best OS of choice for those ppl, with video card memory scaling over 1gb of ram, leaving no room for physical memory on games. Only option there is to upgrade to x64 OS. Vista X64 is so much faster, better and better supported by drivers than WindowsXP x64 counter part. with 4gb of ram and 2gb video ram. no longer issues with lack of memory with doing things. multi-task managment is also a big plus on vista, as the kernel is more aware of multi-core than WindowsXP. the system even few more responsive when you are doing multiple resource or cpu intensive tasks. Ever tried, coverting dvd to x.264, and watching bluray and playing online games all at once on a single PC? modern PC today is more to do with how much things you can do at once, than how fast you can do one thing at a time. |
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Slatts
Sep 3, 2008 5:55 PM
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elmo198 wrote:modern PC today is more to do with how much things you can do at once, than how fast you can do one thing at a time.
Gedday elmo. It's great to do things fast mate, but after it's done, I think a bit of editing wouldn't go astray.=d> |
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Jim.Dude
Sep 3, 2008 9:37 PM
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Slatts wrote:elmo198 wrote:modern PC today is more to do with how much things you can do at once, than how fast you can do one thing at a time. Gedday elmo. It's great to do things fast mate, but after it's done, I think a bit of editing wouldn't go astray.=d>
Vintage slatts...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
Lol... |
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midbear
Sep 4, 2008 11:40 PM
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I thought I would do some statistical analysis of this post as IMHO the market determines whether xp or vista is the winner, regardless of which one is technically better. There are plenty examples of this - just ask Sony!
I have split the posts into four categories - pro xp, pro vista, neutral and confused. Neutral are all posts that are either on the fence or off topic or questions or answers to questions.
Of the 84 posts only 51 are from unique posters (60.71%)the other 33 posts are members making multiple entries in the four categories.
There were two very confused people = 3.92% of the posts
20 neutral posts (including this one) = 39.22%
12 pro vista posts = 23.53%
and 17 pro xp posts = 33.33%
So at this stage Xp is winning by about 9.8% margin...but its still early days. But currently this small nay microscopic piece of the market is pro xp in a statistically significant margin.
as an aside Cyb3r made an impressive 20 posts or 23.8% of all the posts with 12 being pro vista and 8 considered neutral. |
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Jim.Dude
Sep 5, 2008 11:31 AM
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midbear wrote:I thought I would do some statistical analysis of this post as IMHO the market determines whether xp or vista is the winner, regardless of which one is technically better. There are plenty examples of this - just ask Sony!
I have split the posts into four categories - pro xp, pro vista, neutral and confused. Neutral are all posts that are either on the fence or off topic or questions or answers to questions.
Of the 84 posts only 51 are from unique posters (60.71%)the other 33 posts are members making multiple entries in the four categories.
There were two very confused people = 3.92% of the posts
20 neutral posts (including this one) = 39.22%
12 pro vista posts = 23.53%
and 17 pro xp posts = 33.33%
So at this stage Xp is winning by about 9.8% margin...but its still early days. But currently this small nay microscopic piece of the market is pro xp in a statistically significant margin.
as an aside Cyb3r made an impressive 20 posts or 23.8% of all the posts with 12 being pro vista and 8 considered neutral.
Lol...classic. I like the idea, but now let's see who actually uses the O/S they bang on about. Of 7 users, 4 XP, 2 unknown and 1 Vista.
User Name Logged In Last Active Active Browser Platform
Jim.Dude 11:25:37 AM 11:30:10 AM 5 minutes IE 7.0 WinXP
Guest 11:29:49 AM 11:29:49 AM 0 minutes Mozilla 5.0 Unknown
Guest 11:23:38 AM 11:29:16 AM 6 minutes IE 6.0 WinXP
phototext 11:14:03 AM 11:28:58 AM 14 minutes Firefox 1.5.0.1 WinXP
Guest 11:28:00 AM 11:28:00 AM 0 minutes IE 6.0 WinXP
Guest 11:26:33 AM 11:26:33 AM 0 minutes Mozilla 5.0 Unknown
Guest 11:23:59 AM 11:26:28 AM 3 minutes IE 7.0 Vista
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
Sep 5, 2008 4:16 PM
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Jim, we all know that popularity != quality. Just look at all the iPod owners. |
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Jim.Dude
Sep 5, 2008 10:46 PM
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:. wrote:Jim, we all know that popularity != quality. Just look at all the iPod owners.
Did you even read what midbear wrote? And whether you like the iPod or not, it's freaking awesome. The 'whateveritscalled' equivalent only exists because of the iPod. Any other X86 architecture other than Windows only exists because of Windows. Deal with it.
"...I thought I would do some statistical analysis of this post as IMHO the market determines whether xp or vista is the winner, regardless of which one is technically better. There are plenty examples of this - just ask Sony!..." |
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midbear
Sep 5, 2008 11:19 PM
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Quote:Lol...classic. I like the idea, but now let's see who actually uses the O/S they bang on about. Of 7 users, 4 XP, 2 unknown and 1 Vista.
User Name Logged In Last Active Active Browser Platform
Jim.Dude 11:25:37 AM 11:30:10 AM 5 minutes IE 7.0 WinXP
Guest 11:29:49 AM 11:29:49 AM 0 minutes Mozilla 5.0 Unknown
Guest 11:23:38 AM 11:29:16 AM 6 minutes IE 6.0 WinXP
phototext 11:14:03 AM 11:28:58 AM 14 minutes Firefox 1.5.0.1 WinXP
Guest 11:28:00 AM 11:28:00 AM 0 minutes IE 6.0 WinXP
Guest 11:26:33 AM 11:26:33 AM 0 minutes Mozilla 5.0 Unknown
Guest 11:23:59 AM 11:26:28 AM 3 minutes IE 7.0 Vista
Thanks Jim.Dude, It was a bit of fun to do :d Seeing what OS people are using while they are banging on about a specific OS could be fun especially if they aren't at work :p
Quote:Jim, we all know that popularity != quality. Just look at all the iPod owners.
You make a good point here Cyb3r, and we have seen this in history plenty of times, but I don't think this debate is about a quality issue. Both xp and vista are quality pieces of software when they work well. At the moment the market is indicating that vista is not working well for a lot of the market, just as xp didn't in the beginning.
So if we can keep this post alive till windows 7 comes out we might have a clear winner and another vista service pack under our wings. |
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Slatts
Sep 5, 2008 11:20 PM
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Jim.Dude wrote:.:Cyb3rGlitch:. wrote:Jim, we all know that popularity != quality. Just look at all the iPod owners. Did you even read what midbear wrote? And whether you like the iPod or not, it's freaking awesome. The 'whateveritscalled' equivalent only exists because of the iPod. Any other X86 architecture other than Windows only exists because of Windows. Deal with it. "...I thought I would do some statistical analysis of this post as IMHO the market determines whether xp or vista is the winner, regardless of which one is technically better. There are plenty examples of this - just ask Sony!..."
Vintage jim.dude.:lol:
If it even looks like it may disagree with him he jumps on it, belittles it and twists it around.:-k |
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midbear
Sep 5, 2008 11:22 PM
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Quote:Did you even read what midbear wrote? And whether you like the iPod or not, it's freaking awesome.
Thanks Jim.Dude you have made my night \:d/
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
Sep 5, 2008 11:43 PM
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These are the reasons I prefer Vista: http://loader.gadgetzone.com.au/Movies/September-2008/10-reasons-why-Vista-is-worth-the-upgrade.aspx
I'm not saying that Vista is the best solution for everyone, but it's almost always the better choice for new PCs.
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Slatts
Sep 6, 2008 12:30 AM
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:. wrote:I'm not saying that Vista is the best solution for everyone, but it's almost always the better choice for new PCs.
Edited by .:Cyb3rGlitch:.: 5/9/2008 11:43:43 PM
Which is where I think a lot of the problems arose from. Vista is coded for new, fast computers with buckets of RAM. When it was released people went out and bought the upgrade version and installed it on machines that were happily running XP. They saw an OS that ran slower than XP on the same hardware and started bagging it on the web.
As we all know, if it's published on the web it must be true.:lol: :lol: :lol:
Sorry, couldn't help myself there:oops:
We won't go into the HP AMD fiasco. |
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
Sep 6, 2008 1:00 PM
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Slatts wrote:
As we all know, if it's published on the web it must be true.:lol: :lol: :lol:
Well, considering I wrote it, I can vouch for its truth. ;) |
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Jim.Dude
Sep 6, 2008 1:50 PM
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Lol, when I clicked the link I got this...followed by a full page of lines of code and crap messages...is it supposed to be a joke or something? Even when I copy and paste in the URL it won't load.
Server Error in '/' Application.
Compilation Error
Description: An error occurred during the compilation of a resource required to service this request. Please review the following specific error details and modify your source code appropriately.
Compiler Error Message: CS1513: } expected
Source Error:
Line 133:
Line 134:
Line 135: [System.Diagnostics.DebuggerNonUserCodeAttribute()]
Line 136: public cmstransformations_2a107f64_8dfd_405d_8f51_a1cc425a2397_cms_blogpost_default_ascx() {
Line 137: ((global::CMS.Controls.CMSAbstractTransformation)(this)).AppRelativeVirtualPath = "~/CMSTransformations/2a107f64-8dfd-405d-8f51-a1cc425a2397/cms/blogpost/default.as" +
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
Sep 6, 2008 1:57 PM
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Jim.Dude wrote:Lol, when I clicked the link I got this...followed by a full page of lines of code and crap messages...is it supposed to be a joke or something? Even when I copy and paste in the URL it won't load.
The servers are having issues at the moment. I've reported it to them. |
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Jim.Dude
Sep 6, 2008 2:04 PM
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I can't get to the website, so I am ignorant of the contents...still, I read some other recent articles that explain why Vista is a good idea. The thing that caught me though, in among bits and pieces about security, live thumbnails, the interface and all that, was the these articles only popped up here in 08...
If I recall correctly, development finished in Q3/4 2006 with business releases from there until 2007 when it was released worldwide. Why did it 18 - 24 months from the end of development for it to become good? Drivers are only NOW coming in line with XP and the same can be said for performance...moreover, my computer isn't new anymore so it won't work well anyways? Lol, isn't that a funny thing - to get the same performance I get now from my current OS, I have to change all my hardware?
So seriously guys, where is the incentive to jump ship? And what (if any) benefits are worth the outlay of thousands of dollars in hardware? |
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Jim.Dude
Sep 6, 2008 2:14 PM
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Slatts wrote:Jim.Dude wrote:.:Cyb3rGlitch:. wrote:Jim, we all know that popularity != quality. Just look at all the iPod owners. Did you even read what midbear wrote? And whether you like the iPod or not, it's freaking awesome. The 'whateveritscalled' equivalent only exists because of the iPod. Any other X86 architecture other than Windows only exists because of Windows. Deal with it. "...I thought I would do some statistical analysis of this post as IMHO the market determines whether xp or vista is the winner, regardless of which one is technically better. There are plenty examples of this - just ask Sony!..." Vintage jim.dude.:lol: If it even looks like it may disagree with him he jumps on it, belittles it and twists it around.:-k
http://www.pcauthority.com.au/News/121860,intel-needs-a-console-deal-to-get-larrabee-off-the-ground.aspx
More proof that it's the market that determines whether or not something is used, rather than the quality of the component. Some day you'll learn there is more to it than just efficiency of coding or design. People are cognitive misers.
Think about it like this, you have 10,000 keys on a chain and one door. Do you try every single key to find the one that fits the lock the best? or do you just settle for the first key that opens the door? Even though it may require a bit of a jingle.
Mind you, we're getting off the point now... :p |
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HK3
Sep 13, 2008 1:11 PM
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i used XP for about 4 years till i got a laptop that had vista on i like vista more than Xp now once you try it you won't look back |
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luv2sd
Oct 7, 2008 9:58 PM
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:. // you've been busy defending vista alone for many pages of comments here. I build high end computers and just like many people who left honest comments about vista, I'll be honest and say that vista sucks.
It still has a lot of problems even today. I don't even want to go into detail. The verdict is simple. Vista <<< XP and vista was a failure. |
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OZSlayer
Oct 16, 2008 10:56 PM
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Lol, Cyber it takes a man to admit that he's wrong and MS has done so. lol
My Sales to date of Vista to date = 2 and one was pre-installed on a laptop from Toshiba which came with a free copy of XP pro just so they can sell them.
Not one business that I know of are even the slightest bit interested to the change to Vista and most require that it is only XP or are not interested in doing business with me at all.
Vista = Failure
Yet more despair to come for MS with other players soon to take on Windows head on. I foresee the end to the MS dominance of the OS market just like what happened to IE.
This great for the end users as the OS price will drop dramatically as these new players are prepared to eat into the market that MS has had free reign for so long.
The market dictates the need and the suppliers will always bend in the end or go the way of the DODO. |
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Slatts
Oct 18, 2008 11:18 AM
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Gedday hao.
Are you familiar with the concept "off topic" or "hijacking a thread"? [-x
I've been guilty of both myself on occasion, but rarely as blatantly as this.:shock:
The topic is XP vs Vista.
Your post would look good in the Peripherals forum in a new thread.:d
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
Oct 18, 2008 3:42 PM
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Slatts wrote:Gedday hao. Are you familiar with the concept "off topic" or "hijacking a thread"? [-x I've been guilty of both myself on occasion, but rarely as blatantly as this.:shock: The topic is XP vs Vista. Your post would look good in the Peripherals forum in a new thread.:d Edited by Slatts: 18/10/2008 11:20:28 AM
Nope, he's a spammer.
Kick. Delete. Ban! |
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Slatts
Oct 19, 2008 2:31 PM
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geeze cyb, remind me not to get on your cranky side8-[ |
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
Oct 19, 2008 3:53 PM
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Hehehe. I'm a professional SPAM seek and destroyer. ;)
Not only was the same post littered throughout the whole forum, but on several other forums on the Internet. |
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slash
Nov 12, 2008 6:07 PM
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I didn't like Vista until I bought a laptop with it installed. so I thought I'd give it a go. I've had no problems at all with it I liked it so much I put Vista on my desktop and the install was painless. I had a spare HDD on my machine so I put a clean install on that and within 30 minutes I was up and running with my favorite apps. I ran Kaspersky to give me a list of ms office updates and I have had no driver or hardware issues at all. programs load in a snap and my PC boots in about 1 minute. I love the search and Backup functions. I could never go back to XP. |
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hacker16
Jan 3, 2009 5:31 PM
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C'MON EVERYBODY GIVE VISTA A TRY.YOU MIGHT LIKE IT.TRY SOMETHING NEW ONCE A WHILE..................
EMINEM ROCKS |
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Slatts
Jan 3, 2009 7:42 PM
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hacker16 wrote:C'MON EVERYBODY GIVE VISTA A TRY.YOU MIGHT LIKE IT.TRY SOMETHING NEW ONCE A WHILE..................
EMINEM ROCKS
HORSES FOR COURSES HACKER!
VISTA FOR NEW HARDWARE, XP FOR OLDER GEAR MAN!
CAPS LOCK, SEE
I'M COOL:lol: |
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
Jan 3, 2009 7:52 PM
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He's so cool, he earned himself a 1 year suspension. |
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Slatts
Jan 4, 2009 10:28 AM
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:. wrote:He's so cool, he earned himself a 1 year suspension.
Struth Cyber!
Sometimes you frighten me:shock: 8-[ |
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
Jan 4, 2009 11:30 AM
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Slatts wrote:.:Cyb3rGlitch:. wrote:He's so cool, he earned himself a 1 year suspension. Struth Cyber! Sometimes you frighten me:shock: 8-[
He's been warned before, and he gave me a nice PM to seal the deal. |
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PaytonLiu
Jan 27, 2009 5:10 PM
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Wow...this discussion sure lasts for a long term. Indeed, I reckon Vista has finished, no more games. If Windows 7 cannot rebuild the trust, then we will have no choice but must rely on XP much longer(I mean Intel-Windows platform). |
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honey
Jan 29, 2009 10:09 PM
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Hi friends i have laptop and in my laptop i have vista its working well but one problem very time i ll face is that some software does not work in vista. otherwise its fine... |
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petergaskin
Jan 30, 2009 8:10 PM
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I do not see any ponint in upgrading a pc from xp to vista. There are just too many hurdles. In most cases, the hardware requirements for visata are that much higher than for xp, it isnt funny. So, I believe that as people purchase new computers ( excluding netbooks), they will adopt vista - and this is the best that microsoft can hope for... |
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wolfkhan
Jan 31, 2009 2:10 PM
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What is this BS about vista 8 out of 10 and XP 7. You know that vista a is a piece of rubbish. The security garbage slows this rubbish down Vista's 11 Pillars of Failure
04.21.08
Total posts: 285
From poor marketing to missing components, here are my reasons why Vista will forever fail.
by John C. Dvorak
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While the public's attention seems to be swinging toward Windows 7 (the next iteration of the OS)—a topic I'll address in the weeks ahead—the fact of the matter is that Vista remains. And it seems that the OS now has two distinct groups of users. One group happily uses Vista, with few concerns or complaints. In fact, many of them are baffled by all the grumbling. The other group is the fist-shaking Vista bashers who condemn each and every flaw the OS exhibits.
The latter group is by far the most vocal and easily drowns out the former group. Its complaints stem from the anti-Microsoft backlash, which reflects dissatisfaction with the company's history, business practices, tactics, and bogus announcements. Much of the disgruntlement, however, can be attributed Vista itself—and the poor marketing job done by Microsoft.
I mention the bogus announcements above because, at some point, you do get a little tired of Microsoft making exaggerated promises and then never coming close to delivering the goods. In the case of Vista, it has to do with the three "pillars" that were announced early on. The OS really delivered on only one of the pillars, and that pillar was nothing but Windows dressing: Aero, the resource hog and performance sapper.
With the "pillars" in mind, I decided to take a look at the 11 reasons why Vista remains on shaky ground:
1) Market confusion. From the beginning, everyone moaned about the fact that there were simply too many versions of the OS for sale. Who needs all the variations? It's stupid—plain and simple. What you want is the one best version, not a slew of namby-pamby ones. This happened because the folks at Microsoft know only how to merchandise and, seemingly, not how to market.
2) Code size. I've got two words for you: TOO BIG. Enough said.
3) Missing components. Yes, WinFS, the promised file system and a core pillar of Vista, isn't there. The promises regarding the development of this file system go back to 1991. And Microsoft cannot make it a reality? Why?
4) Laptop battery-life drain. This was supposed to be fixed with special code and hybrid hard disks (HHD). Still, users have to resort to expensive silicon drives.
5) HHD fiasco. I'm still irked about being told by the HD industry that the benefits of the new generation of hard drives will "make people flock to Vista." That was over two years ago, and suddenly there's silence about the whole thing. One of these days, someone will tell me what really happened. My guess: It never worked correctly, and no one could make it work.
Vista's 11 Pillars of Failure
6) Bogus Vista-capable stickers. Microsoft's "Windows Vista capable" campaign was an incredible marketing botch. Computers were sold with an indication that they were "Windows Vista capable" when they were not. This did wonders for goodwill.
7) Missing drivers. It seems incredible that all of the Windows drivers that worked with XP did not necessarily work with Vista. How does that happen?
8) Conflicting advice. There was no consistent advice for users about implementation, and Microsoft did nothing to help. Some people said that you should get a new computer only with Vista preloaded and not upgrade. Others said upgrades were fine. Others upgraded and complained. Microsoft should have put up a specialized Web site that could test machines remotely and tell users whether it would be a good idea—or not—to upgrade. A promotional/test CD-ROM that could boot Vista (like those Knoppix Linux disks) would have been a good idea, too.
9) XP mania. You'd think that the world was in love with Windows XP. Everyone wants to keep it on the market, and this makes Vista look even worse. What's more, there were far too many reports about people reverting to XP after an "experience" with Vista. If Microsoft had the testing service that I mention above in place, this would never have happened.
10) Mediocre rollout. Unlike other rollouts of important Windows products, Microsoft did not put on much of a show with Vista. While there were some weird posters placed in subways and maybe a few TV commercials, none of it compared with the rollouts from a few years back, where the company got worldwide attention. By comparison, the company seemed almost sheepish or embarrassed by Vista, something that was also reflected in the recent lackluster rollout of Server 2008—a total snooze. This sent the wrong signals to users and may have made them hypercritical.
11) Performance. You're not supposed to deliver a new operating system that's been in development for more than four years yet performs worse than the previous OS. Performance should be at the top, not the bottom, of the to-do list. You get the sense that Microsoft just piles code on top of code and somewhere in the middle of it all is MS-DOS 1.0.
I could probably put another dozen items on this list. The point is that it's a big list already. With all the resources in the world at Microsoft's disposal, you have to wonder why the company cannot get everything right even once.
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Deeatpc
Oct 7, 2009 11:44 AM
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I would not use Vista over XP. I am a home/small business user and these are some of the reasons: 1. help and support function only available online, 2. administrator file permissions do not guarantee I can operate the files 3. Non-compatability with other devices 4. The mess of trying to import or export wab or pst or pab files from previous computer 5. email in windows mail stored in separate files 6. windows mail folder MSMESSAGESTORE FILE cannot be opened by ANYONE and no instructions are available. So if you have a problem with your computer you can say goodbye to retrieving recovered or backup data. 7. UAC is time consuming 8. Simple things like task manager are hard to find 9. If you turn off system restore (for downloading certain defence programs) it says that you lose all your previous system restore points!! I am using Vista Home Premium, if I want to downgrade to XP, I cant, needs to be Vista Ultimate, Microsoft wont give support with an OEM product, Toshiba Australia will not give support because the lappie was purchased in US when my trusty old lappie died on a work holiday venture. I would not recommend anyone to use Vista if their data is valuable and at any stage needs to be retrieved. |
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gotapok
Oct 28, 2009 7:12 PM
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Vista Business is fine.
And I have also XP Home that is fine too.
So I can not tell which one is better. |