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anthonyqld
31 August 2011
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Apple has no right to bar the Galaxy Tab 10.1. Apple didn't invent the tablet. Apple admit that, but say there's was better than previous ones. So why does Apple want to ban tablets that are better than theirs?
Comment made about the PC & Tech Authority article:
Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 price leaked in Myer catalogue?
A Myer catalogue has revealed the RRP of the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 in Australia (assuming it ever actually arrives in this country).
What do you think? Join the discussion. |
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rubaiyat
31 August 2011
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So what was the Newton? |
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amcmo
31 August 2011
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At the risk of getting another mindless lecture from P......... and others, how the hell do Samsung expect to sell to any other than fanatical anti-Apple types with an $80 premium? No technical benefit. Apple Tax - what Apple Tax???????
Can we expect to see another $99 sell out and withdrawl after dismal sales???
Rubaiyat - We weren't supposed to mention the Newton :d - All those Anti-Apple types will have to have another go at re-writing history. I see endless 'facts' posted to attempt to prove that Moses in fact invented the Tablet and it was Open Source to boot!
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odysseus
31 August 2011
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>how the hell do Samsung expect to sell to any other than fanatical anti-Apple types with an $80 premium?
I'm not sure where the $499 figure came from. Apple's website has them starting at $579. I have seen the old ipad at $499, though.
Comparing the ipad 2 version at that price with the abovementioned Samsung, the main benefit is that the Galaxy Tab 10.1 has 3G, which will cost you another $150 with Apple.
Here endeth the mindless lecture . |
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amcmo
31 August 2011
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The Add doesn't seem to mention 3G.
The $499 is on the US Apple site $579 is $A.
Seems the article writer didn't check carefully. I should know by now not to accept any 'facts' on the PCA site without checking first.
Mindless lecture accepted. |
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rubaiyat
31 August 2011
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amcmo wrote:Rubaiyat - We weren't supposed to mention the Newton :d - All those Anti-Apple types will have to have another go at re-writing history. I see endless 'facts' posted to attempt to prove that Moses in fact invented the Tablet and it was Open Source to boot!
Always wondered what Moses' tablets were written in, as Hebrew post dates the supposed 10 commandments.
So given the above, it seems it was probably written in either Java or C++ for either Linux or Android? |
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odysseus
31 August 2011
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>The Add doesn't seem to mention 3G.
True true. But I suspect the copy for these catalogues is written by people whose tech literacy is, err, not what it might be.
> I should know by now not to accept any 'facts' on the PCA site without checking first.
Hah! I buy the magazine sometimes, and the copy is all over the place: group tests with a product rated at 5 stars in one place and 3 stars in another; references to prices in pounds; etc etc. They _really_ need a subeditor or two. As well as a fact checker. |
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welshdog
31 August 2011
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Just dropping into the conversation that I'm still pretty happy with my 7" Kogan tablet... despite prophets of doom such as amcmo doing those Chicken Little impersonations about the sky falling in if we touch such inferior merchandise.
However I've heard rumours that Samsung are considering releasing a "Baby Tab" soon and if they do I'll be straight in. Despite the troll's asserions, the el cheapo tablet is *still* a winner, but I could do with longer battery life and the "Baby Tab" will have that, and is expected to carry a few extra's too! :). |
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Haratu
31 August 2011
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Banning competitors is an attempt to monopolise the market. If Apple does succeed in banning competitors then it may not be soon before they are faced with a strong fight to keep their apparently valuable patents. |
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welshdog
31 August 2011
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@Haratu - as far as I can tell it isn't the patent per se they are trying to defend even tho that's how it appears. I'd say they want to assert copyright in order to charge royalties. For example, Microsoft is already receiving $8 per copy of Android sold which is why it has no beef with HTC. Apple is just trying the same trick with the hardware! |
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rubaiyat
1 September 2011
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There are people out there who love chicken Macnuggets, but that doesn't mean that they are actually good. Some people actually can't bear anything except junk (food or otherwise).
Apple is neither trying to ban competitors nor to charge licencing fees, that is pure projection of typical PC users' thinking.
Apple's work has been ripped off so many times in its history it is just asserting its copyright on its own designs.
Competitors are free to design their own products, nobody is compelling them to take the easy route and copy Apple. There are other products out there that bear an original designer's stamp. Of course if you can only copy... don't be too surprised if the original designer objects.
Given the vast number of 'independent' (LOL) thinkers out there, whose penises would drop off at the thought of buying from Apple, it is curious how insistent they are on belatedly getting pale copies of Apple's products. |
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amcmo
1 September 2011
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Welshdog,
I didn't suggest the sky would fall, just called the Krogan for what it is, a cheapo copy, with poor battery life and other failings.
You may be happy with it, however I doubt that anyone who had an iPad2, or even HP Touchpad would ever consider 'downgrading'. Per Rubaiyat, you might like McNuggets - I prefer real food...
Haratu - As for patent/copyright, and all the howls against Apple.
The Apple basher's may care to consider that it is in fact Motorola and Samsung who are being the bastards in a lot of the phone/tablet market by trying to have competitor's products banned on the basis of industry standards patents (called F/RAND encumbered patents). They are both being called on that by patent experts. This is in fact the basis on which most claim that Google has purchased not much of worth in the Motorola patents, they are mostly tied up in industry standards. (side note, Google do, however get Moto's obscene tax losses with the purchase that will allow them to pay bugger-all tax for some years)
How this F/RAND encumbered patent thing works.
When you have an industry body working on a standard, developers (eg Moto/Samsung) have the opportunity to have their developments as part of the standard, however in return they have to agree to 'reasonable and non-discriminatory' licensing. They cannot attempt to ban a competitor's product (as both Samsung and Moto have been - and not just with Apple).
Perfect example. Apple/Nokia. Apple used industry standards covered by Nokia patents in their phone and did not agree with Nokia's (exorbitant?) attempt at extracting licence fee's. They have a bit of biff, sit down to talk again and negotiate the 'reasonable and non-discrimatory' fee. Apple's happy, Nokia's happy. Samsung are apparently on Nokia's hit list!
So the evil Apple picking on Samsung - Try being even handed Samsung lovers and you might see that they are one of the worst offenders. Don't suppose many of you would remember their having to pay mega $ for DRAM patent infringement.
Interesting point out of the Euro suits. Samsung knew that their current kit offended (admitted in one doc), however still tried to fight. Elsewhere they are seen to be applying for endless delays into 2012, to the point where they have been called on it and Apple given an expedited hearing in the US. Samsung had to rush on the Euro and Australian cases as their product had been / was in danger of being blocked.
The purpose of the attempts at delays, to give themselves time to develop non-offending possibly even ground breaking product, forecast for mid 2012.
Suggestion is they simply wanted to grab market share to dominate as quickly as possible, worry about the suits if and when they happened (as they did with the DRAM market), meanwhile work on the 'real' product for release a little down the road.
Smart business strategy, if you get away with it..
Edited by amcmo: 1/9/2011 09:45:13 AM |
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photohounds
1 September 2011
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Newton? One of the better early attempts, I had one, but the Palm Pilot I had later was many times more useful, and faster as hardware and software evolved.
My Newton had the excruciating but all-too-common 15khz (or so) loud power supply whine.
Apple did nothing to help. After 4 or 5 trips in to the apple doctor for replacement/service it was "no fault found" - they were perhaps deaf? I flogged it off cheaply to someone with presumably impaired hearing.
Most aspects of the *failed* "copy legal case" were seen for what they were - a sham to delay Samsung's device until after the Apple launch. There have been a LOT of flat screen computing devices over the years. The ipad was a great stepping stone along the way.
The best is yet to come. |
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amcmo
2 September 2011
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Ah Photo, knew you'd drop by.
On the Newton, coupls of Sales Managers in a company I ran back then had late model Newtons and loved them. Others loathed them... Doesn't change the fact it may well have been the first tablet, therfore, using some contributors' logic every photo frame or tablet mfr since then is stealing Apple's ideas....... Just think of the royalty cheques... if Apple was such a blatant abuser as suggested:d
The so-called 'failed' case was part win part lose. Per my previous post, Samsung knew their phones were in breach and admitted so. You say minor changes needed, why weren't they already in place? As for the rest, Apple believed they were copying, ok, so they lost in the Netherlands. Interesting to see where it goes in other countries.
Doesn't change my belief that Samsung is very willing to rip off anyone as they rush to gain market dominance, then clean up the mess later with royalty payments only if forced to. It can be seen in other products they have produced.
The same could be applied to Google. Again, they (and Samsung, LG) know they are in breach of the GPL, however know only too well that as it is currently written they can thumb their noses at the community and continue on their way. Much as Google have done with Java.
Interesting to see the latest Bada OS phones. Another year's development and will Samsung need Android? They'll have the market share and would probably have little problem getting their loyal customers to just keep buying whatever has the Samsung label.
As I said, great strategy.
Edited by amcmo: 2/9/2011 08:59:43 AM |
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photohounds
2 September 2011
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Evolution not invention - many companies have contributed to the present state of the art.
To say otherwise on either side is fan-boyism ... |
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r430r
3 September 2011
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Apple is pathetic, one of it's "patent issues" is that slide to unlock feature... it's sad, shameless and childish. Apple is only trying to retard the competition the only way it knows how... like a bitch |
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rubaiyat
3 September 2011
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How is Apple responsible for the retarded competition?
You keep telling us the competition is so far in advance of Apple, why do they need Apple's permission on anything?
Just get the competition to assert their prior IPR. |
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photohounds
7 September 2011
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In all but one easily-remedied side issue, the fight was lost. There are hopefuls thinking the Big A will prevail in other jurisdictions. Success is doubtful - but not impossible seeing the “ass” that is the moderator on the issue.
Let's see … Ruby was right - the higher-performing, cheaper ones took a while to trickle trough, but are here now.
In recent news a couple of other blows are being dealt : A waterproof one. Surveyors, architects, builders fishermen, boaters, hikers, you know, those who don't mollycoddle their toys, those who want to get things done in less than perfect environments will surely find that useful. How about home and restaurant food preparation areas? DURABLE restaurant menus - wipe it down with disinfectant and pass to the next customer.
Probably not “dishwasher safe”, but NO voiding the warranty because a sensor says it got ‘wet’
Such innovation should make these things truly utilitarian, and is definitely not ‘retarded’.
And … the Kindle in colour - not a tablet, but it should be a killer, proper reading device and SONY s the only real competition (nice unit, but no Amazonian infrastructure).
There are so many to choose from now and there are good, serious competitors.
Stupid patent ‘enforcement’ attempts mean that companies spend more time time litigating, less time innovating.
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amcmo
7 September 2011
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Higher performing cheaper?????? That remains to be shown in other than Samsung/Acer etc advertising.. (and certain members of the PC&TA staff)
iPads are already being used in restaurants as menus connected direct to kitchen.
Waterproof - that could be a winner in some industries. There is a mob make a case for normal tablets that can be dropped from some height.
As for the sensor saying it got wet - all phone manufacturers use that one. We have a Moto that got damp in a shirt pocket during a rainshower - no warranty!
Kindle will be a winner for those who want reading only. |
