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nathsgames
21 February 2012
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Too little too late, last year's tech already. Sorry Motorola and Telstra, you lose.
Comment made about the PC & Tech Authority article:
Motorola Xoom 2 coming to Australia, courtesy of Telstra ?
Telstra has announced it will sell the Motorola Xoom 2 from today for an RRP of $720.
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amcmo
21 February 2012
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Just another also ran, trying to make some minor impact on the iPad Market. Too much money for nothing outstanding to offer.
The tablet market is turning into two distinct markets, iPad and Fire.
Guess there's a chance the Win tablets later this year might make an impact in corporate, however would not be betting the farm on that (Much as M$ may be, well at least the lower 40.) |
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photohounds
21 February 2012
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Suggest you read what the results suggests - the non ipad market is alive and well at high 40% market levels. ipads are fine within their limitations, I wouldn't dismiss Android results on any logical basis.
I think it's the 'we have more than one size/type' that's pushing things along - viva choice - Android is driving IT modernisation. I've seen it myself and there's data to back that up. Facts can be terribly inconvenient.
Edited by photohounds: 21/2/2012 06:09:37 PM |
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petergaskin
21 February 2012
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With the price of the Samsung Galaxy tablet and Apple Ipad 2 for under $500- on special, how does Telstra expect to sell the Motorola Xoom 2 for $720?
Sounds like more serious price discounting to come. |
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amcmo
22 February 2012
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Photo, you're (yet again) reading stats without looking at the information within.
Yes, there MAY be around 40% Android as you put it depending on which stats you look at, however the FACTS are that the VAST majority of that 40% is FIRE, which is a FORK of Android and has limited compatibility. It is a market on it's own.
Then there's Barns & Noble (not to mention other Android based eReaders), which, depending on who's stats you look at leaves around 10% shared between all the other mfrs of Android, including dozens of 'The East Is Red' Chinese crap units you'll find on the web sites of 'Crazy Kogan's Discount Emporium' and other such. We get emails from Chinese mfr's regularly offering us Android tablets at crazy pricing.
Over time Android sales will of course increase buoyed by those who will blindly buy based on it being anyone other than Apple, plus those who will buy Chinese craps just because it's cheap, which still leaves Samsung, Moto, Sony et-all to yet find a reason for customers to buy their currently overpriced alternatives. Others have pointed out the pricing issue.
No doubt, when they either find a way to sell at a discount and still not give away the farm (remember Amazon is bleeding buckets to get their market share), or they come up with a compelling argument ( "I'm too pig headed to buy Apple", is not yet a valid basis for a competitive market share), then Android will take a substantially larger share. At this stage, though there is no sign that Apple's sales are suffering from any of this.
Even when Android do get over the magic 50%, it will be no cause for the Android fanboys to trumpet they've won.
50% shared between 15-20 mfrs is no great victory over 50% supplied by one mfr on their own, just another example of poor use of stats.
As for photohounds wrote:Android is driving IT modernisation. I've seen it myself and there's data to back that up. , where did you get that unmitigated piece of crap from?
Android, along with iOS, Win, stress balls... all are factors in IT modernisation, but to claim Android is driving it is so much BS!
Edited by amcmo: 22/2/2012 11:06:59 AM |
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photohounds
22 February 2012
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Follow the link I posted in another thread. I can duplicate it here if you like.
Here's another non-event according to you, settled now.
http://www.cio.com.au/article/415874/apple_settles_iphone_4_antennagate_class-action_lawsuit/#comment-740979
Ripped-off Aussie users will get what???
Oh this new device ahs expansion for memory at NON-ripoff prices and splash is good for poolside use :)
The device looks polished and useful, but the cost may be a tad high. The market will sort that out. |
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amcmo
22 February 2012
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Yes, Photo, we all know how the Yanks will sue for any real or imagined minor issue.
Reality is, after all this time they get exactly what Apple offered them straight up over a year ago! Actually, Apple offered full refunds to any who wanted as well.
How DUMB does that make those who sued?
Just jumping on a bandwagon for something that was shown to affect less than 1% and primarily in areas of cell congestion or poor reception, in the hopes of getting undeserved $$$.
How dumb does it make the Android fanboys who still foam at the mouth about it over 12 months later?
Yes, it does have expansion, however the starting price is somewhat of a rip off and performance ORDINARY. |
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photohounds
22 February 2012
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Nah, Jobs effectively told users "you're holding it WRONG". So, who's "still foaming"? Oh yeh, the lawyers ... and you, not me.
I just noticed it in looking at other news and remembered that it was all a non-event (in your mind).
Here is what's driving consumerisation of business IT,
Over 600 execs in 17 countries - obviously they didn't ask you, AM for an "unbiased" opinion :( Look at myth 5 - AND the top device. Apple laptops do well though, but surprisingly, lag _user-owned_ Blackberries which was interesting.
http://www.idgconnect.com/blog-abstract/464/tyson-hartman-global-debunking-six-myths-consumerization-it
http://www.avanade.com/Documents/Resources/consumerization-of-it-executive-summary.pdf
Anyway the splash proof aspect of this device is useful and I hope more devices (especially phones) have this - and soon! You've confirmed the performance is 'ordinary' for yourself have you? Or is just that it's a non-apple device, so it must be 'inferior'?
There's a Co. in the US that specialises in waterproofing tech gear with some liquid.
Phone makers will surely be using that soon, like their 'slavish' use of gorilla glass :) Some marketers (and then fan boys) will claim water resistance to be an 'invention', no doubt - "magical" to some.
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amcmo
22 February 2012
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Flash Crash, click reload page and double post!
Edited by amcmo: 22/2/2012 03:03:21 PM |
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amcmo
22 February 2012
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Yes, Photo, I've previously tried with one daughter's old iPhone (she purchased it herself last year) and if you hold it JUST SO you can get it to drop a bar on Telstra at the back of our property where Vodaphone get no reception. In a normal reception area in town, you can do whatever you like with it and there's no change in reception.
You're the one that keeps bringing it up as some percieved issue, so you and the greeedy lawyers are the only ones with a problem!.
As previously stated, less than 1% with any noticeable drop and then only in congested or poor reception reas. AND YES, you can get a Nokia to almost do the same!
600 execs is a piddling sample for trying to get a worldwide sample,a dn what were selection criteria?
You keep pointing at Myth 5, he makes a sweeping statement without fact. The only fact that 40% of his respondents allow free choice.
We allow free choice (and we pay for the phone), however we do NOT allow Android devices to connect to our network at present. BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATION OF OUR IT MGR WHO HAS AN ANDROID PHONE!
Android is the most popular - what stats??
Again, has he come up with answers to suit his mindset?
Other stats show a very different balance, so it all depends which ones you care to go out and search for and quote.
I still come back to the major corporations who state publicly, while they will allow Android phones, will not allow them to be connected to their networks for security concerns.
Just an an aside, daughter with the Galaxy 2S just sold her phone and brought an iPhone, based on her experience! Decided another daughter's iPhone 4 (not S) mentioned above was better to use and better reception. And she was into the whole Android = choice thing!
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photohounds
22 February 2012
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Sure ... |
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amcmo
22 February 2012
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Would you like her phone number? |
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photohounds
22 February 2012
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What for? The statistically insignificant sample of ONE?
Naah, pass. |
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photohounds
23 February 2012
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Here's another example of how that irrelevant side of computing (in your mind) is driving things FORWARD ... http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9224458/Ubuntu_Android_add_on_designed_to_replace_PCs?taxonomyId=154&pageNumber=2 this might have excellent benefits and impact the tablet market severely (small away from home, low-end PC experience at home/office. The tablet market proves that many do not NEED or want to pay for high end desktop performance ... if the phone can be your 'PC' that would appleal to many people.
I suppose your favourite patent troll will 'invent' such a paradigm next year - and you'll wax lyrical?
Oh yes, 600 companies is "piddling", but what happens in YOUR company is "significant" to the "what is dricing the consumerisation of IT" issue? An attempt at comedy,no doubt. (ref: no androids in use at your company, despite the fact that a google will show that ios has been shown to be just as easily compromised as other platforms)
Knee-jerk reactions "I won't do this" (with a populist reason given) are everywhere, that doesn't make that sort of behaviour sensible or even the defacto default.
People are not "blind, "Pig-headed" or "dumb" anti-Apple reactionaries for buying what they want. Market share falling from well over 90% to 50% is significant no matter how many companies COMPETE for it and this may continue. Certain people WILL keep buying Apples and that's also their perogative.
As for the results, showing ANdroid's openness helping it get a foothold in business IT: Any survey results can be "debunked" in the mind of a biased person.
Without responses from business, I would have also thought the fruity one was driving an IT insurgency too - that'd be based on FAN reports about what they "THINK is happening" of course, not by actually asking significant numbers of people in IT management what they ARE doing, which I do not have the time or inclination to do. Such numerous responses in the negative must be very disappointing for the fans. Avanade has seemed pretty reliable in the past - better than some of the other big predictors who totally failed to "predict" the Android invasion until it was well underway.
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amcmo
23 February 2012
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Photo,
One gives indications from personal experience simply for background.
No Photo - REGARDLESS of facts put forward, you continue your blind attacks on Apple and equally blind support of Google.
Dropping from 90% of market to 60%, IF ACCOMPANIED BY A DROP IN SALES WOULD BE SIGNIFICANT.
The drop in share, while accompanied by significant INCREASE in sales simply indicates the arrival of several (Mainly Fire) alternatives that the public are interested in. Ignore Fire and B&N Colour Nook, which are VERY specialised niche products, not GP tablets and Android sales are around 10%, hardly the overwhelming increase you are trumpeting.
As for consumerisation of IT, he gives no valid stats to back his 'overwhelming Android' statement, whereas the Fortune 500 companies that have gone public have given stats that show exactly the opposite of his claims, however as it doesn't suit your predjudices, you take his vague assertion as the only fact. There are other, more highly respected industry commentators that provide observations directly opposed to his.
Android has consumerised smartphones, however that does NOT constitute consumerisation of IT.
Get over your Android Openess rubbish! Talk about stuck record.
Android is a semi closed system, it's only overwhelming openess is to malware!
Apple and Win, are open in that there are overwhelming numbers of apps available, giving choice for all who want it.
In M$ Win, only they supply the OS, however there are hundreds of hardware suppliers, and hundreds of app suppliers. Seems a reasonably 'free an open' market to me.
In Apple, yes, they supply both the hardware and the OS (Benefit - consistent quality and experience?), however apps are open for any end user to develop for free and for any developer to sell through the App store after the minor inconveniece of it being checked for malware and compliance to rules (ok the rules can be a little overbearing)
The famed 'openness' of Google is a largely illusional 'benefit', largely trumpeted by those with an irrational anti-Apple stance.
Edited by amcmo: 23/2/2012 01:02:39 PM |
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photohounds
23 February 2012
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Everyone can plainly see the tablet market is growing - so point 1 is a phurphy. You craft a 50% increase into something amazing, but deride android's much bigger pecentage gains, because when the numbers do not suit, you SWAP measuring sticks and concentrate on units sold! Android products are doing very well against the massive advertising campaign that put the incumbent where it was a year or so ago (that includes free direct emails).
A RANGE of products is driving these Android gains. This actually represents CHOICE, unlike choosing from what just ONE maker wants to flog you, no matter how you slice your Apples.
Openness is NOT rubbish - get over that "closed shop is a better way for all of us" dogma will ya?
Nothing irrational about freedom - not talking about free beer. You seem confused between the two ideas. |
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amcmo
23 February 2012
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NO Photo, You don't get it.
It's not an increase for ANDROID, but a market share increase for Amazon FIRE, which is NOT an Android tablet in the 'tablet market' sense, rather a forked product OF THEIR OWN, that addresses a specific market. Also bear in mind that mind numbing oncrease in sales was achived by losing how many $Millions selling below cost.
YES, Photo, even if you somehow stretch a Fire into the broader iPad competitor market, having to ship out $50 or so with every device just to get it to sell, is hardly a ringing endorsement.
If it were sold with any sort of profit margin, one could well ask would it's sales be down amongst the miserable 10% market share that Samsung, ASUS, Moto, Bogan etc between them have struggled to achieve?
As for Open, I stand by my comments, Android is NOT truly open, Google control it, get ALL the advertising $$ from devices, it's all in the contract the mfrs have to sign with Google to get on board. It's open ONLY SO FAR AS IT SUITS GOOGLE'S PROFITS.
While Apple is a very profit focused company and controls it's eco tightly, I would rather work within the controlled eco where it's all out in the open, than in the one where Google's motives are hidden and you wonder what loss of personal privacy they're going to screw you over with next.
That said, the majority of my work is within the evil empire of M$.
I distrust them, just as I have a healthy distrust of Apple, however that pales compared to the certain knowledge that your beloved Google are truly EVIL.
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photohounds
23 February 2012
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More religious rants, AM ... go to the fruit church this morning, did we?
Google is not 'beloved', not by me. They do some very good stuff - they give quite a bit of useful. nifty stuff away that was previously sold, but there's a catch - one's privacy. That's GONE anyway particularly if you FB, tweet, use MS, Apple, evil Samsung, Sony, Harman Kardon, - whatever! Yes - ALAS! We have become the product to a certain degree, not only true of Google et. al. JUST as true of your former Diety and his company.
Information that's YOURS is used by nearly every big company to suit THEIR own ends. I think Reader's digest in the '60s were the first famous and successful example. Implying (or worse, stating) that only Google do this - and the others do NOT is not only plain, unadulterated )*!@&^ bollocks - as you know it is, it is beneath you. Fer K.S. .. even this mag does it. In exchange for letting us argue publicly for 'free', we are 'writing' part of the magazine!
I can't understand WHY you seem so oblivious to what is being done with OUR personal data - except when it is being done by big "evil" Google. Religion can be the only answer. Get with the 21st century man! Privacy and control of OUR information- particularly for computer users, simply DOES NOT EXIST and the others give NOTHING to use it as they will.
Yea! Some even charge you for being fleeced and handsomely too.
Google's cloud for instance is cheaper and has SHOWN itself more reliable than the iCloud (or whatever its abortion of a predecessor used to be called) ... |
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amcmo
23 February 2012
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I am only too well aware of privacy issues, however what is indisputable is that Google has been caught more than anyone in recent times with their fingers in the cookie jar.
Stealing WiFi data, bypassing browser privacy settings, questioned repeatedly on their data mining techniques. They just seem to have taken it to a whole other level and keep pushing until challenged, back off for a while then have another go. |
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photohounds
23 February 2012
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And Google are the ONLY company who sell you in exchange for the 'free' stuff (some of which is very good)?
Haha!
The others never give you anything in return unless you PAY. BUT they DO they sell you. |
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symowallo
27 February 2012
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Sheesh, so much hate here! The Xoom is a great device and I use it in preference to my wife's iPad. But I think that Telstra are too late here, as the Xoom 2 has been out for quite a while now. Loving my Xoom 1 though! |
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amcmo
27 February 2012
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Photo, We're not talking about who does or does not sell your data (though I have seen no evidence that Apple do if that is your suggestion - can you honestly say you have any?)
That part of the discussion was about who STEALS you data, so far only one caught actively doing that.... 'We'll give you some crappy free stuff, but all your good (private) data belongs to us'.
symowallo,
I am certain there are very happy XOOM customers out there.
We evaluated and it didn't come close to our requirements.
Compared to iPad1 it is slow, bulky, even more so than iPad2. That said, it is totally useable as a browser, eBook reader, most other functions, just depends on what you want. I do agree with the first post in the thread, Xoom2 is 1 generation old tech. |
