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photohounds
24 January 2012
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For that kind of loot you can get a real hi fi system with real speakers and full quality sound sources, and probably the TV as well.
Only in ipod land ...
Comment made about the PC & Tech Authority article:
Audio tech: Geneva XXL iPod sound system?
Introducing the high-end iPod speaker dock that looks like a chest of drawers...
What do you think? Join the discussion. |
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amcmo
24 January 2012
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When people like Photo get over their anti-Apple obsessive mindset and the need to turn every article into another Apple bashing....
To first address Photo's post...It depends if you want a setup that allows you to just have all your music on the industry standard music player you carry with you and plug in to something (expensive) like this, or a cheap countertop dock when at home, into the car/truck/motorhome when you drive, plug in or pair to the bike to bike comms on the motorbike, headphones on the pushbike, at the gym, the beach, on a plane, in class or when you want to dice with 'death by iPod' in the footpath.
Yes, Photo, only in iPod land do you have the FREEDOM to access that superb level of flexibility and supporting 3rd party products from cheap and cheerful to obscenely exe\:d/
I have a nice system, including 200 disc CD changer plus Brennan HD based unit that usually sits idle while most music in the house is through wife's nano in a counter top dock.
Now to comment on the original article....
Pesonally, I'd spend considerably less on something that didn't (in my mind) look so butt ugly!
Also, getting on in years (hearing nowehere near what it was) I'm past trying to detect all the subtleties of sound in a mega expensive system.
A Sonos whole house system is starting to look interesting.
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photohounds
26 January 2012
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"Obsession"? Maybe - but with good sound, not with a brand.
Heading towards unencrypted, uncompressed music servers (OR CDs SACDs), fed through a proper electronics and transducers, streamed to location-appropriate devices in the home - pretty well ANY fidelity and ANY size. For video content, the screen of your choice too. Considering DEQX - (just one set).
'Industry standard'? I doubt it. Those I know who love music, shun most portable players unless necessary for mobility. They are pretty good in a car, too.
The people I know, who create/master music, do it using proper mixing gear, almost invariably onto a 3.5" HDD (or SSD for working files), often 24 bit.
This ipod accessory is a toy, a curio and no one really cares - you can do a serious LOT better for 6k+. Maybe for a BYO Disco - where no one is actually listening anyway. I didn't see that apple make these? |
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amcmo
26 January 2012
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Photo,
Industry standard yes, the reality is that it owns the majority of the market for both portable music, and increasingly in home through docks. That makes it an industry standard, official or not.
I know that people who make music use far more ophisticted equipment, including many who use Apple.
The majority of people who LOVE music are ordinary people not the elitist wankers you refer to. They just want a simple, easy to use system that doesn't Have them sitting all day swapping CD's (or for the total nobs - records). That is often an iPod/Phone based system.
The iPod accessory ranges from cheap Chinese crap, to some seriously competent gear.
For a overwhelming number of people an iPod sound system that costs several hundred $ is the home and mobile entertainment preference. You (and the elitist nobs who claim their hearing is so acute as to hear the slightest nuances in a recording) can rant against reality all you like, however it's just that, reality.
You don't have to get on the bandwagon, however wishing it were not so changes nothing.
My point was why pay anything remotely like $6000 for a (in this case butt ugly) sound system unless you're trying to show how much money you can waste.
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photohounds
26 January 2012
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There goes another apple reference )groan).
There's a difference between playing music and listening to it. No one forces you to actually listen, if you don't, the lower quality is just fine.
I repeat for the hard of listening - you can do a serious LOT better for 6k+. |
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Ramrunner
27 January 2012
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@amcmo
Regardless of the discussion between yourself and photo which I do not want to get in to. The standard definition of an industry standard is an agreed document, or specification of a product or perceived product interaction, agreed upon, documented and utilized by a group of members or member companies who subscribe to the standard.
(Look it up)
This completely is 100% against what an iPod is. Unless you count the board of Apple members of a standard they defined???
The dock connector Apple uses for their iDevices IS something that is immensely useful, a smart invention, creates smart accessories and products, and certainly something I wish WAS an industry standard, so all smart phones used it (or Google comes up with some other universal dock that works across all Android phones).
But by definition it is not an "Industry Standard". Again, I kind of wish it was, but that is the wrong term for it.
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amcmo
27 January 2012
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Ramrunner,
Without being pedantic, one could use two definitions of an industry standard, the 'official' one you refer to, which I am more than aware of, and an 'unoffical' industry standard simply though overwhelming acceptance. I use the second with a little tongue in cheek.
The iPod/Phone eco fits that description.
And Photo, yes I actually LISTEN to music the quality of which is beyond most human hearing without the obscene spend involved.
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photohounds
30 January 2012
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Oh well, we should all consult you on what it the correct amount on an audio system. 6k is not ridiculous if you have it.
My point is and, originally was and still is: For the loot, this iProduct can be beaten hands down with a more conventional audio system.
Oh. I don't have $2000 speaker cables suspended off the floor for 'better sound', mate - in case you were wondering.
My 'audio ambitions' are more modest - and more effective. DEQX is an interesting breakthrough, though. |
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amcmo
30 January 2012
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The fact that it works with ipod misses the point, it's damned expensive and butt ugly. Neither fact is anything to do with the iEco.
You can get a far cheaper system iEco or not.
You original post was 'only in iPod Land' My original point being, NOT only in iPod land, then a little winding up, just for the hell of it! |
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elhombre
31 January 2012
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6k got me a Denon AVR-4806 7 x 130W beast of an amp, a superb set of Monitor Audio RX Series speakers, and SW, a PS3 and a little bit left over for some reasonable cables. Shame it's all back there in Oz and I'm stuck in the desert with an ipod. :(
photohounds wrote:Oh well, we should all consult you on what it the correct amount on an audio system. 6k is not ridiculous if you have it.
My point is and, originally was and still is: For the loot, this iProduct can be beaten hands down with a more conventional audio system.
Oh. I don't have $2000 speaker cables suspended off the floor for 'better sound', mate - in case you were wondering.
My 'audio ambitions' are more modest - and more effective. DEQX is an interesting breakthrough, though. |
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elhombre
31 January 2012
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That's upstairs, downstairs is a hand built 40W triode amp for winter (great room warmer and the 2nd order harmonic distortion gives that great valve sound), a 100W Rotel solid state amp for Summer, a Technics SA-5170 receiver and a Sony TC854 Reel to Reel deck. I plug the ipod into either the Ella40 Push Pull Triode or the Rotel depending on season. Dam, I'm getting homesick.
elhombre wrote:6k got me a Denon AVR-4806 7 x 130W beast of an amp, a superb set of Monitor Audio RX Series speakers, and SW, a PS3 and a little bit left over for some reasonable cables. Shame it's all back there in Oz and I'm stuck in the desert with an ipod. :( photohounds wrote:Oh well, we should all consult you on what it the correct amount on an audio system. 6k is not ridiculous if you have it.
My point is and, originally was and still is: For the loot, this iProduct can be beaten hands down with a more conventional audio system.
Oh. I don't have $2000 speaker cables suspended off the floor for 'better sound', mate - in case you were wondering.
My 'audio ambitions' are more modest - and more effective. DEQX is an interesting breakthrough, though. |
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rubaiyat
31 January 2012
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Hilarious that they propose the tiny portable iPod with its relative lo-fi audio gets shackled to this behemoth.
I looked through the manual and they only ever mention MP3s (no AAC) and the iPod connector. Couldn't find anything on AirPlay the only feature that would even remotely make it interesting. This is just another audio product that lets you drop your iPod into a built in connector but fails to deliver any of the standard functionality of the iPod itself.
Since iPods don't allow LossLess files, let alone high resolution lossy files, over $6k is a waste of money IMHO. |
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photohounds
31 January 2012
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Ellhombre ... like laptops and tablets, ipods give you portability - that much is undeniable.
There's nothing like the real thing, though.
Did you build the triode amp yourself? I build speakers for fun and profit every now and then. Researching here and there, the pair might have have 5k worth of drivers in them.
Brewing your own can make audio very satisfying. |
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elhombre
31 January 2012
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Hi Photohounds,
Yep, hand built the amp but from a kit from Hong Kong. Also hand built the main speakers downstairs, originally as an exercise in Theile/Small parameter modelling but I got carried away and it turned into a "no replacement for displacement" type of project. Damn fine cabinet work but I hope I never have to move them!
photohounds wrote:Ellhombre ... like laptops and tablets, ipods give you portability - that much is undeniable.
There's nothing like the real thing, though.
Did you build the triode amp yourself? I build speakers for fun and profit every now and then. Researching here and there, the pair might have have 5k worth of drivers in them.
Brewing your own can make audio very satisfying. |
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photohounds
31 January 2012
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AH, the Iron law - either a big box or 3000W :)
It is the next pair that will have those drivers in, thinking Raven tweeters ... |
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elhombre
1 February 2012
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Those Raven tweeters look very interesting, but I need to put a lot more into the cross-overs first. I designed them around what components I had to hand as I was in a hurry at the time. Thanks for that!
photohounds wrote:AH, the Iron law - either a big box or 3000W :)
It is the next pair that will have those drivers in, thinking Raven tweeters ... |
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photohounds
1 February 2012
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elhombre: Active x-overs nice quality home brew amps and a DEQX 4 will kick things along nicely :) |
