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skipper_sams
14 April 2011
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impressive stuff. Just goes to show how much money the other companies such as apple and co. are making.
Comment made about the PC & Tech Authority article:
Kogan unveils $139 Android tablet (for a limited time)?
Kogan Technologies today announced a new range of 'Agora' products, including a 7in Android-based tablet that will start at just $139.
What do you think? Join the discussion. |
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Dale61
14 April 2011
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How long before THAT question is asked? 'Do they come installed with Windows?' |
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ory_zm
14 April 2011
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I think the answer is NO |
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amcmo
14 April 2011
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The tablet is DECIDEDLY previous generation, with the phone centric Android V2.2 that Google have tried to get suppliers NOT to install on tablets. It will not be upgradeable to V3, therefore will not use any of the later os specific apps. From the pics is seems even thicker than the iPad 1, & will no doubt be heavy for size and I'll run any odds you like, battery life will be WELL BELOW 9-10 hours any decent tablet offers.
Sorry skipper_sams abslutely NOTHING impressive about that, as for the 'notebooks' look like the ASUS stuff that has been losing market share (-48% last year)because they are too slow, too heavy, nothing to offer at all. Windows compatible??? win 7 basic??? even then with that spec you would not be up to much more than web browsing.
How can people be so gullible as to be sucked in by this guy's marketing? Every item I've seen so far seems to be old technolgy being recycled under a pile of spin(Shit) |
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Myrish Swamp
14 April 2011
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I think you're being a tad harsh amco. Yeah, it's under-specced compared to new tablets, but it also costs $140, instead of $500+. The inclusion of MicroSD and a USB port is also pretty generous.
That said, there's a pretty good chance that the touch screen could be complete crap. |
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dweebken
14 April 2011
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Normally I yawn at these advertorials, but this time I was motivated to place an order for the Kogan Agora Internet TV Portal and the Android Wireless Keyboard and Trackpad. They look like a fantastic combo and will look great on my 52" LED HDTV. I already have a WiFi router at 802.11g and my iiNet ADSL2+ gets me 12 MBPS into the internet. My HTC Desire mobile phone is also android 2.2, so I'm familiar with that too. I'm excited and can't wait for them to ship it! So, yeah, I got happily "sucked in" this time.
I already have DNLA on my TV and Blu-ray player and that sux because of what it won't do. This Kogan equipment looks like just what I had in mind for functionality at the price point that suits too.
@amcmo: what's "old technology" about android 2.2? Haven't seen any Android 2.3 devices around except on ppls wish lists and Android 3 is still in limbo... Hey guess what? ... I won't be able to upgrade it to Linux or OSX or Windows 7 either or Google Chrome even! So who cares! |
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amcmo
14 April 2011
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Dweebken,
What's old tech about Android 2.2 is the Google have said it is NOT suited to tablets and have tried to get makers to wait for V3, which IS available in the US. A lot of new apps developed for V3 (when and if Google release the code) will not run on V2.3, let alone V2.2.
I'd also bet, single core processor, 800mhz or there-abouts. So it's got a micro sim, big deal if the underlying platform is obsolete rubbish.
Why then would anyone buy a product that is already obsolete and behind the market when within a month or two so many others will be available with far greater capability, and will not be obsolete before you take them out of the box. This Kogan tablet will be even more out of date before it arrives.
As for the super price to order and pay before arrival. Smacks of a supplier trying to get mugs to pay for their product up front to help them to pay the bill to their supplier. May not be the case, but raises questions.
If you simpy don't have the money to buy a worthwhile product, I'd suggest you're better off not spending it at all, otherwise buy something with some ability.
At the moment that's iPad2, with Android 3 machines not too far behind. (we're talking performance here, not any drivel about supposed open source {read free virus/trojan with every other download}) |
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
14 April 2011
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amcmo, it's a $150 tablet, why are you expecting it to be an iPad 2? You must realise that not everyone requres the latest and greatest components. This would make an excellent general purpose tablet, and if it's got the processor I think it does, it's probably on par with the original iPad in terms of processing power. |
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gone4good
14 April 2011
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amcmo
How about you try reading the article before you post?
The article quotes the specs as follows...
"The Kogan tablet comes with a 7in 1024x600 Capacitive Touchscreen, a 1.0GHz Samsung Cortex A8 CPU, 512MB of DDR2 RAM and 2GB of inbuilt storage running on the Android 2.2 platform."
These are incorrect. The website lists the internal storage at 4GB, not 2GB. The rest is correct. If you actually READ the article you would have known this.
Sounds pretty well equipped to me considering the low price. You could easily and cheaply add additional storage as well.
Why would anyone buy one? That's a no brainer... the price. Kogan is taking pre-orders at just over $150 right now. They start shipping them before the end of the month as well. If you're in the market for a tablet for web browsing, playing games, video chat, email, etc, etc (so just about nearly anyone that wants a tablet) then what is this tablet missing? Access to 300,000 apps? iTunes? The shiny Apple logo?
Every tablet becomes obsolete within a year. What about those people that purchased an iPad over Xmas for nearly $600? How do they feel about the iPad2? I'd imagine pretty pissed off. It's much easier to cop $150 than nearly $600. How many people go out and buy the latest computer tech when it's released?
The sales model Kogan is using with this is the same that they have always used. Kogan have been doing pre-orders for new products for years. Doesn't Apple take pre-orders as well for soon to be released products?
If you want to troll, try and make it somewhat believable and factual.
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petergaskin
14 April 2011
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Sounds like a rehash of the 7" ubisurfer. not so good as a pc. I still feel that a 10" tablet is the ideal size for a tablet / netbook.
For a $150 price tag, the Kogan unit sounds like a toy. Purchased and then put to one side when the buyer gets bored with it. |
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
14 April 2011
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petergaskin wrote:Sounds like a rehash of the 7" ubisurfer. not so good as a pc. I still feel that a 10" tablet is the ideal size for a tablet / netbook.
For a $150 price tag, the Kogan unit sounds like a toy. Purchased and then put to one side when the buyer gets bored with it.
That's pretty much the case with any modern tablet. |
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amcmo
14 April 2011
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I admit I missed the 1Ghz when revisiting the discussion. The rest of the spec is nothing out of the ordinary for a bottom feeding tablet.
The thing I hate about the Kogan buy before try is that no-one has extensively tested it before you have to stump up. I/My company do not buy anyting without a thorough eval and test, or if not test an in depth review by a reputable mag. At least with Apple, and some others you are confident of the level of engineering.
I didn't ay it had to be Apple, just that at present by any realistic technical standard (and my background is in semiconductor and software engineering), the Apple is for this moment, top of the heap for it's combination of hardware and software. The few Android 3 tablets out there are slightly behind, however new models projected for the next 3-5 months should even that out. I do have a philosophical issue with an app store that allows programs with viruses and trojans to be freely available as has happened several times with the Android store.
The Kogan is NOT iPad 1 territory. No-on has yet tested the screen response to input, and there does not seem to be ANY mention of the graphics co-processor involved. The one in the original iPad was at it's introduction quite ahead of the pack, and the latest tablets from major players are only now meeting and exceeding that performance.
End of the day, if you want to piss away $150 on a toy, feel free. We currently use iPad2, and soon another brand of tablet for WORK where the investment in a decent product is justified, and if purchasing for myself would invest that level of money. Just before anyone jumps in, I'm no Apple Fanbois, my last notebook, a Fujitsu lifebook 13" was retired last year after 8 years of being lugged around the world! When I/my company spend money it's on DECENT product that is expected to continue return on investment for some good time.
I wouldn't give my kids one of the Kogans as a toy! |
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
14 April 2011
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amcmo wrote:I admit I missed the 1Ghz when revisiting the discussion. The rest of the spec is nothing out of the ordinary for a bottom feeding tablet.
The thing I hate about the Kogan buy before try is that no-one has extensively tested it before you have to stump up. I/My company do not buy anyting without a thorough eval and test, or if not test an in depth review by a reputable mag. At least with Apple, and some others you are confident of the level of engineering.
I didn't ay it had to be Apple, just that at present by any realistic technical standard (and my background is in semiconductor and software engineering), the Apple is for this moment, top of the heap for it's combination of hardware and software. The few Android 3 tablets out there are slightly behind, however new models projected for the next 3-5 months should even that out. I do have a philosophical issue with an app store that allows programs with viruses and trojans to be freely available as has happened several times with the Android store.
The Kogan is NOT iPad 1 territory. No-on has yet tested the screen response to input, and there does not seem to be ANY mention of the graphics co-processor involved. The one in the original iPad was at it's introduction quite ahead of the pack, and the latest tablets from major players are only now meeting and exceeding that performance.
End of the day, if you want to piss away $150 on a toy, feel free. We currently use iPad2, and soon another brand of tablet for WORK where the investment in a decent product is justified, and if purchasing for myself would invest that level of money. Just before anyone jumps in, I'm no Apple Fanbois, my last notebook, a Fujitsu lifebook 13" was retired last year after 8 years of being lugged around the world! When I/my company spend money it's on DECENT product that is expected to continue return on investment for some good time.
I wouldn't give my kids one of the Kogans as a toy!
Err, so you say "The thing I hate about the Kogan buy before try is that no-one has extensively tested it before you have to stump up", yet you're ever so confident that it's "a toy". How does that logic work, exactly? Surely one should wait until we see reviews until we judge?
The fact that you've already placed the product as a toy unworthy of your own children says to us that you've already made up your mind, and have no interest whatsoever in having an objective stance. Then again, you've made your opinion of Google quite clear on this forum, and I can only assume that this is a natural extension of this. |
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amcmo
15 April 2011
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Anyone can, tell that from the spec this is nothing much more a toy with an outdated and tablet unsuitable o/s. The only thing a test will show is that it is a semi useful toy or a total waste of money!
Google have some top quality offerings, however their stance on an app store without controls (supposedly more open sources or some other bullshit) that has and continues to allow crims to upload apps with buried viruses and trojans borders on criminal neglect. It's ok for them to remove these apps from your Android product without your knowledge or permission (well the contract for every Android device allows them to do that), but by that stage your identity and credit card details are in the hands of some Eastern European criminal gang. We will be buying Android product (well we already have an HTC phone), however staff are forbidden (dismissal offence) from visiting the Android app store until we have in place (or Google put in place) safeguards to prevent the download of any programs containing malware.
Why is it when anyone raises VALID concerns about Googles invasion of privacy, outright spying (stealing of WiFi data) or total lack of controls on it's app store we are attacked by rabid Google lovers?? Says more about the Google lovers than those of us that choose to be careful with our privacy and financial records. |
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gone4good
15 April 2011
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amcmo wrote:Anyone can, tell that from the spec this is nothing much more a toy with an outdated and tablet unsuitable o/s. The only thing a test will show is that it is a semi useful toy or a total waste of money!
This device is pretty much on spec with the first gen iPad or the first Samsung Galaxy Tab. So by your logic anyone with one of these devices has purchased a toy as well?
Semi useful? What functionality have you lost with this from another tablet? You can browse the web, email, watch video, play games, read books, video chat, etc, etc. Where is the lost functionality that makes it less useful?
amcmo wrote:Google have some top quality offerings, however their stance on an app store without controls (supposedly more open sources or some other bullshit) that has and continues to allow crims to upload apps with buried viruses and trojans borders on criminal neglect.
Do you run any Windows machines? If you do than this issue shouldn't be anything new to you. You'll just need to use a little common sense. I don't need Apple to provide my common sense to me.
amcmo wrote:Why is it when anyone raises VALID concerns about Googles invasion of privacy, outright spying (stealing of WiFi data) or total lack of controls on it's app store we are attacked by rabid Google lovers?? Says more about the Google lovers than those of us that choose to be careful with our privacy and financial records.
Try valid media beat up. What Google does is no different from any of the other major companies - Apple, Microsoft, etc, etc except that Google will in fact TELL their users what they are doing. To add most of what you've dished out as fact on Google has already been debunked on this forum as utter nonsense.
Finally, if you don't understand the benefits of open source software then either don't comment on it or do some research to find out what it all means.
But this is completely off topic. This thread isn't about Google, it's about a new tablet. |
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amcmo
15 April 2011
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gone4good,
Are gone for the throat!
We run Windows, Apple, Linux machines. (Yes, Windows is open to viruses, etc, but there a readily available virus protections, not so with Android at present). Nokia and HTC (Android) phones - no Apple phones, and have involved in open source software development for a good 15 years, so would suggest we probably know more about open source, it's benefits and weaknesses than most. I don't see how you equate our dissing Google for a total lack of security in their app store as having no understanding of open source. The majority of responsible open source developers are VERY concerned about security.
Media beat up. Google have been caught stealing WiFi data (i know they blamed it on a rogue developer), trampling over authors rights, then scrambling to stich a deal only after being caught, however they are still under investigation for that and now other matters in the EU. Their chrome browser reports data back to Google at levels the majority of users do not understand.
Hiding your head in the sand and pretending does NOT debunk anything.
To get back to the original focus of the thread - the unit might have a similar spec to the original TAB, though I did question what the graphics processor was as they are silent on that. There has yet to be a 7" tablet with decent battery life (even the just released RIM is reported at between 6 and 8 hours. You might be happy to read a book, browse on a 7" screen, however all balanced reports to date suggest that's not a truly pleasant experience. I wouldn't use a smartphone to do that either, before you jump in with that one. Play games... A TOY!
The FACT remains that it is all gen 0.5 technology (NO IT IS NOT THE SAME AS iPAD1, yes, possibly close to the TAB (graphics chip?). The Tab was panned by pretty much every even handed reviewer as being sub iPad1, so why would anyone buy this product when iPad 2 and Android 3 tablets are available? read the reviews of the RIM 7" just released to review in the US this week, a much more capable tablet, but still panned as not ready for prime time, and general consensus, the 7" screen is a poor format. |
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Slatts
15 April 2011
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amcmo, I've had a long day.
I come to the forum to make sure no low life has been spamming it with trash and in the hope that some posters have been helping others in some way.
Imagine my enjoyment at finding your offering.
I'd rather read more blatant spam than your insidious ranting.
Really. Get a life.
Edited by Slatts: 15/4/2011 08:59:46 PM |
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photohounds
16 April 2011
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Why would anyone buy it? It's $139! Absolutely ideal for double-sided taping to my kitchen wall and reading recipes off the internet. Saves the space of dozens of books and I have a brief squizz at my email and the news while I'm cooking. In reality it is all I saw the original ipad as genuinely useful for - have a quick look at something, email yourself the URL and then look at in comfort later on a large screen monitor, in a good ergonomic position.
Back to the Kogan cheapie - wipe it down if it gets dirty and just enjoy it, not caring that it isn't the latest $700 device from apple. (way too costly for what it offers if you don't want to spend time staring at a little screen, that is)
If the more discerning wait a bit more - the new Android devices seem to really have it together and will offer (it seems) a genuine non-toy portable computing experience. Of course, my net-books also substantially do that for us and the kids. At $400 or so, they are good value too and are pretty close to 'real computers' not a hyped subset of shiny features. Good on apple for flogging so many of these, P.T. Barnam was right - then and now. |
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amcmo
18 April 2011
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Slatts,
If you anything FACTUAL to say, feel free, otherwise, quit your insidious ranting!
Or is it that you cannot accept fact that doesn't fit your view of the world? |
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Slatts
18 April 2011
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amcmo wrote:Slatts,
If you anything FACTUAL to say, feel free, otherwise, quit your insidious ranting!
Or is it that you cannot accept fact that doesn't fit your view of the world?
You have a view?
I thought you only had an agenda.
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amcmo
18 April 2011
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What agenda? That I think the $139 Kogan is a waste of money?
That I disagree with people who keep saying, Android will have a real iPad killer any day - that a product just by using Android somwhow makes it better than reality? Still waiting over 12 months later. (no we didn't buy an iPad1) The unbiased overseas tests all rate the current Android crop as getting there, but still not up to the task.
We're a multi platform house, so don't have any particular loyalty, just don't like the likes of Kogan's tablet being compared with others that offer significantly better performance/quality. PC&A's product announcement read like a cheap tv informercial.
I've said it on another thread, I do think the Samsung (8.9?)due out later this year, much thinner/lighter than the 10.1V, will be an item we will likely buy. That will be up there with the iPad2 in. We will just make certain that security is locked down so tight as to be painful.
Someone used the 'tape it in the kitchen and use for recipes', there are far better (e-ink) low cost iBook readers out there for that task. Bigger screen, clearer text, similar cost.
Still can't think of a good reason to waste $139... |
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saki_g
18 April 2011
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Obviously a budget tablet. Not as good as what the higher models (IPAD, Samsung Galaxy Tab, etc.) offer, but good enough for the price, or those looking to own a tablet without breaking their wallets. Looks better than the crummy ZTE model I read about, at least.
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welshdog
23 April 2011
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Regardless of the amcmo trolling, I ordered one and await its delivery! I bought it... as have most *because* it's cheap! I want to establish that the 7" form factor suits my needs and if it does, makes it *more* likely I'll shell out $500+ when the higher spec machines are released. Do I care about Google 'spying'? Not when the iPhone and iPad have been tracking every move people have been making!
I don't care if (like the iPad 1) it has no 3G capability - I can use my Desire to update it on the road if need be. I don't care about the estimated 3.5 hour battery life, I can charge it in the car or elsewhere if need be. I don't care what the iPad or Samsung Tab has or hasn't got... the Kogan offering is *cheap*!!
For under $150 I get to try out something that *is* little more expensive than a game but has the potential to be far more functional.
If I wanted it as a mission critical device for work I might be more cautious... but at this price and with these specs, even if it was a crock I simply can't lose.
Roll on the delivery date!! |
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Slatts
23 April 2011
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welshdog wrote:Regardless of the amcmo trolling, I ordered one and await its delivery! I bought it... as have most *because* it's cheap! I want to establish that the 7" form factor suits my needs and if it does, makes it *more* likely I'll shell out $500+ when the higher spec machines are released. Do I care about Google 'spying'? Not when the iPhone and iPad have been tracking every move people have been making!
I don't care if (like the iPad 1) it has no 3G capability - I can use my Desire to update it on the road if need be. I don't care about the estimated 3.5 hour battery life, I can charge it in the car or elsewhere if need be. I don't care what the iPad or Samsung Tab has or hasn't got... the Kogan offering is *cheap*!!
For under $150 I get to try out something that *is* little more expensive than a game but has the potential to be far more functional.
If I wanted it as a mission critical device for work I might be more cautious... but at this price and with these specs, even if it was a crock I simply can't lose.
Roll on the delivery date!!
Well said welshdog.
How about a review once your new toy arrives and you've had a bit of a muck around with it?
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
23 April 2011
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I await your review welshdog. Should be interesting to hear how it performs compared to your Desire. |
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welshdog
24 April 2011
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I'll be more than happy to give the machine a solid review (for good or evil) when the time comes but despite wanting it *now*, I leave for the UK in few weeks and was forced to delay delivery until my return in mid-June.
At that time I expect to play 'til my fingers hurt from going taapa-tappa-tappa :) |
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welshdog
27 April 2011
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Update from Kogan:
We are very pleased to announce that the Kogan Agora 7" Tablet PC with Capacitive Touchscreen will now come preloaded with the Android 2.3 operating system, also known as 'Gingerbread'. This upgrade from the previously advertised Android 2.2 will be provided with every Kogan Tablet at absolutely no extra cost. |
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amcmo
9 May 2011
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Welshdog,
Nice to see you consider any reasonably informed comment you don't agree with the be Trolling.
Hope you like your Kogan, but 'cheap' says it all.
3.5 hours battery is going to be great if you ever want to use it on one of your trips to the UK. Let's see, 8 hours to Singapore or Bangkok, 13 hours to London, yes it's going to be mighty useful.
Still think it's a waste of Money. And as for the 'Free' upgrade to V2.3, it's still an O/S that Google themselves tell manufacturers NOT to put on a tablet.
If telling the truth is trolling - so be it! And no, you don't need to wait for a review to be able to comment. The spec and o/s tell the story. BTW the iPhone and iPad haven't been tracking individuals - that one is well documented and is moot now due to the latest iOS patch.
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rubaiyat
9 May 2011
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Cheap is usually cheap.
I bought an iPod Shuffle knock off from Aldi because it was marked down to only $10 and figured out how bad could it be?
Ignoring the finish, it played all content out of order, didn't respond predictably to clicking on the controls and would stop midway through the second track.
I lost time buying and returning it. Aldi lost a lot more. |
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amcmo
10 May 2011
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From UK site The Register and not specific to Kogan, but addressing the similar (same) tablets beign offered in the UK by Kogan like discounters
"cheap and nasty no-brand tablets currently being shovelled onto an unsuspecting public by consumer electronics retailers who should know better. Of course, if you think £179 is good value for a plasticky tablet with a dim screen, impractically small memory and running on an operating system used for a glitchy beta smartphone from 2008, then good luck to you"
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gone4good
10 May 2011
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Thanks for the heads up amcmo. Now that you've clarified that I'm sure Kogan will stop selling them.
Seriously, I hope Apple is paying you enough per post.
Here's a review from an Australian site if you're interested...
http://www.news.com.au/technology/tablets/kogans-tablet-its-cheap-and-it-wont-cost-you-much/story-fn6vigfp-1226042230519
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amcmo
10 May 2011
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From the review in your link - it's user interface isn't smooth, it's buggy, lousy battery life. Nothing there to argue against The Register's assessment of that type of tablet.
Don't know why you have this unreasoned view that I'm in the pay of Apple (or anyone else).
I just call this product (and others) as I see them, cheap crap in this case.
If you bothered to actually read one or two other threads, you MIGHT have seen that I'm actually waiting for V2 of the Samsung and Motorola tablets as I believe they might be worth a serious look, if they get the pricing right. Bugger, not Apple products, have to cancel that thought.
I'm also having a chat to a supplier about Z68 boards for our company (mentioned in another thread) - Damn they're not Apple product have to cancel that thought too!
I stand by my original view - CHEAP CRAP. You get what you pay for. Make something cheap enough, a bit of fancy marketing (like this mag's press release/advertisement) and there will aways be enough fools out there ready to be sucked in.
Steve Jobs, if you're reading, I'm apparently on your payroll, but I haven't seen a cheque yet!! Please PM to sort out!
Edited by amcmo: 10/5/2011 03:54:49 PM |
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pilchard123
14 June 2011
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To amcmo , can you please name a pc product of any price
that wasn't obsolete in six months. |
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amcmo
14 June 2011
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My point is that this was obsolete 12 months ago, when iPad 1 was released. It NEVER made it close to anything released by mainstream manufacturers |
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.:Cyb3rGlitch:.
14 June 2011
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But that's the thing, who's to judge what's considered obsolete, if it still does the job the customer wants done? |
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petergaskin
14 June 2011
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try telling all the users of xp that they are using an obsolete os. They couldn't care at all.
Obsolete product aonly becoems a problem when you cant repair the item or you cant do the something that you just must be able to do.
As for Kogans efforts, it will be interesting how buyers of the product react. Will they accept the Kogan as a cut price tablet, or will they use it as a launching pad - to buy soemthing better. Who says that something better will not cost around $200 when the Kogan buyers are ready to upgrade.
So the Kogan tablet could be just the thing for many buyers to experiment with a tablet without worrying about losing a lot of moeny.
So lets see where the Tablet market goes from here. |
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welshdog
22 June 2011
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Oh dear - I come back of hos to discover amcmo is still merrily trolling away dissing a device he's never even used! Ah well, such is life.
I got back off holiday and after a slight hitch caused by Kogan delivering the thing while I was away and (luckily) having a friend discover it on my doorstep, I have the little beauty in my hands!
Now I'm not sitting here bleating and bitching about the cost of an iPad, or the lack of features etc because I've never owned one or tried to use it. However I *do* own a Kogan tablet and I love it. Ok I admit it isn't 'perfect', but nothing ever will be! What I have in my hands is a device that does what it says it will do and at a price Apple with its massive advertising budgets couldn't even contemplate!
PeterGaskin must have read my earlier comments about wanting to try out the form factor on a cheapie before splashing out on a machine in the $1k + range and he's quite correct, for some of us at least this was what we wanted... and got!!
It's ridiculously cheap, and works like a charm. The *only* criticisms I have are regarding the battery life. At 3.5 hours it's pretty low, and it seems it's unable to recharge via a usb connection which makes it a little less usable than I'd hoped. Still, I'm looking around for an alternate automotive power supply and I'll post the info if and when I can find one.
On a plane it isn't (for me) that much of an issue as I request, and get, a power point above or near my seat into which I plug a power board and thence all my devices including a cpap machine! :)
Other than the battery life.. I'm happy enough with what I have for the money I paid for it. The format is large enough and clear enough for me to browse, read ebooks, and write emails etc. and that's what I wanted it for.
It might not be what everyone else is looking for but for the price this thing is unbeatable!! Obsolete?? hardly.
Oh yes... it now comes with Android 2.3 installed as standard. |
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rubaiyat
22 June 2011
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Some like cheap, some like quality.
Experience tells me that the later usually ends up being cheaper, in the long run.
But then a Pizza Hut Tuesday twofer is "brilliant" and "so cheap" for Australia's Greatest Losers.
You can buy a heck of a lot of triple bypass and gastroband surgery on what you "save". |
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welshdog
23 June 2011
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@rubaiyat.
In the ends what counts is whether a device suits the purpose for which is was made... and bought!
Being 'cheap' doesn't necessarily mean inferior. This machine does everything it can be expected to do and does it pretty well. What are you expecting, or asking it to do that it can't?
When 'quality' comes at a price wildly inflated by massive advertising campaigns you aren't necessarily getting as good a deal as you think!! If your 'quality' machine does exactly the same thing as the 'cheapie' then what price quality?? If the 'cheapie' is actually *more* functional than the 'quality' then the argument flies out the window. Can the iPad play Flash yet??
The Kogan for all it's cheapness performs perfectly, only let down by it's low battery life. Is it really worth paying ten times as much for longer battery life?? |
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rubaiyat
24 June 2011
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I hate Flash so am happy that Apple is pushing the envelope there.
I have no objection to cheap and cheerful, but you have to be extremely lucky to get that. Usually the cheap is just cheap quality or corners get cut. There are a huge proportion of consumers who are dazzled by the "Sale Bin" and seem tom be oblivious to all except price and "feature lists".
Advertising does not necessarily add to the cost of manufactured goods. If it boosts sales considerably it can actually help keep prices down. Apple has in fact been able to sell virtually all its hardware at extremely competitive prices due to its massive production volumes. |
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welshdog
25 June 2011
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The vast majority of the complaints about the Kogan Tablet I've read in this thread have been from people who don't have one but are still saying the machine is too cheap to work properly. Well I *do* have one and it *does* work, and work well! What more can anyone ask??
As for hating flash, that's all very well, but it exists, it's in widespread use and we're stuck with it until something else comes along to beat it!! That being so it's good to have a machine that runs it... especially one that doesn't cost an arm and and a leg!
Besides, cheap or not, I'm still waiting to hear what people are expecting the Tablet to do that it can't? So far I've not found any downsides to owning one. |
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rubaiyat
25 June 2011
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I'm not going to buy the Kogan Tablet just to find out if I like it. Anymore than I will buy all the other possible models to find which one might be acceptable.
As far as I am concerned it is the vendor's job to persuade me, and they'll only do that by showing me that it is worth the not insignificant money they are asking. Feature lists are just that, it is the whole package that makes the product and you find that out by getting some hands on.
The Titanic had a great feature list, but it never got across the Atlantic. |
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welshdog
29 June 2011
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@rubaiyat - so what is it other than being inexpensive makes you think the Kogan isn't suited to its purpose? :)
The Titanic was supposed to be unsinkable so obviously wasn't capable of doing what the hype claimed. I'm still waiting for someone to tell me what the Kogan Tablet isn't able to do as well (if not better) than other tablets... in or out of it's price range!!
As I said I *have* one and so far there is nothing I'm expecting of it that it isn't capable of doing, and doing well. So what's the real issue? If you're waiting for Ruslan Kogan to come around to demonstrate it for you you're out of luck. The feature list is there onsite for you to see and there are also comments from users... good and bad.
Plus of course in here you've a users perspective that it does what it claims it can do. Why would you want to be hyped into a purchase by a vendor instead of comparing features and testimonials and making up your mind based on real life experience? |
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rubaiyat
29 June 2011
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I can play with Apple's toys to my hearts content, I don't take their word on anything.
On the other hand I am constantly confounded in trying to get my hands on competing products and don't usually take other (anonymous) people's assertions that a product does what it is supposed to, except with a huge grain of salt.
For all I know you might be Ruslan Kogan himself. |
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welshdog
6 July 2011
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I wish I was - I'd be far better off than I am currently!
By the way, last week the power button stuck on the tablet after I "nudged" it a little too hard (say more more than that). I sent it back for assessment... and they sent me a new one which arrived this morning. I'm not not only impressed but grateful as well! :D |
