iiNet on online film piracy: We're not the 'ISP Police'

iiNet on online film piracy: We're not the 'ISP Police'

Last week's judgement in the iiNet vs AFACT case has opened a few interesting cans of worms - including the possibility that ISP providers may be charged with disconnecting people who pirate. So what does iiNet think about this?

For those who haven’t been keeping abreast of the situation, the Australian Federation Against Copyright Theft (AFACT) took iiNet to court in 2009 for authorising copyright infringement over its network. It accused the provider of allowing its customers to illegally download 100,000 films, TV shows and music singles over a 59 week period.

Although iiNet was ultimately cleared of any wrong-doing (for now), the judgment determined that it would be a “reasonable step” for ISPs to disconnect customers who receive infringement notices from film industry bodies.

In making the judgement, Justice Emmett said: "It is difficult to see why [this response] is unreasonable, if the customer, having been warned... chooses to continue to permit the iiNet service to be used to engage in infringing acts.”

In other words, those accused of illegally downloading movies could have their Internet connections cancelled.

We asked iiNet’s communications manager Anthony Fisk about this possibility at the MediaConnect Kickstart 2011 technology conference. He believes that charging ISPs with disconnecting their customers is a flawed solution.

“This is something [ISPs] have done in the past and it isn’t ideal. Optus used to do it, and then they stopped. ...We shouldn’t have to be the Internet Service Police.”

Fisk also highlighted the inherent difficulties in proving that a subscriber is at fault. “What happens if you live in a shared accommodation, or your girlfriend comes over and downloads an illegal movie? In Australia, you’re supposed to be innocent until proven guilty.”

Fisk believes that government regulation needs to be implemented across all ISPs. “iiNet has always said it’s willing to sit down with AFACT, other ISPs and the government to try and work out a solution that everyone’s happy with. Ultimately, there needs to be some kind of proper regulation across the industry.”

Further reading:

iiNet defeats copyright police - good for ISPs, but bad for everyone else?

iiNet vs AFACT: Australian Federation Against Copyright Theft loses appeal

iiNet users: There's a new BoB in town

FetchTV and iiNet: recipe for a good night in?

 


Last week’s judgement in the iiNet vs. AFACT case has opened a few interesting cans of worms – including the possibility that ISP providers may be charged with disconnecting offending customers in the future. We spoke to iiNet to get their side of the story…

For those who haven’t been keeping abreast of the situation, the Australian Federation Against Copyright Theft (AFACT) took iiNet to court in 2009 for authorising copyright infringement over its network. It accused the provider of allowing its customers to illegally download 100,000 films, TV shows and music singles over a 59 week period.

 

Although iiNet was ultimately cleared of any wrong-doing (for now), the judgment determined that it would be a “reasonable step” for ISPs to disconnect customers who receive infringement notices from film industry bodies. In other words, those accused of illegally downloading movies could have their Internet connections cancelled.

 

We quizzed iiNet’s communications manager Anthony Fisk about this possibility at MediaConnect’s Kickstart 2011 conference. He believes that disconnecting customers is a flawed solution.

 

“This is something [ISPs] have done in the past and it isn’t ideal. Optus used to do it, and then they stopped. ...We shouldn’t have to be the ISP police.”

 

Fisk also highlighted the inherent difficulties in proving that a subscriber is at fault. “What happens if you live in a shared accommodation, or your girlfriend comes over and downloads an illegal movie? In Australia, you’re supposed to be innocent until proven guilty.”

 

Fisk believes that government regulation needs to be implemented across all ISPs. “iiNet has always said it’s willing to sit down with AFACT, other ISPs and the government to try and work out a solution that everyone’s happy with. Ultimately, there needs to be some kind of proper regulation.”

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Comments: 2
TobyBGoodman
3 March 2011
Fisk obviously hasn't read the judgement - or had anything to do with this case.

For 1:
“This is something [ISPs] have done in the past and it isn’t ideal. Optus used to do it, and then they stopped. ...We shouldn’t have to be the Internet Service Police.”

First and foremost, the ISPs have never been asked to investigate to "Police" merely act on known instances of infringements on their network. To argue otherwise is a complete fabrication. Further, all 3 judges determined it was appropriate in certain circumstances, to terminate a customer in appropriate circumstances, in line with their contractual obligations.

“What happens if you live in a shared accommodation, or your girlfriend comes over and downloads an illegal movie? In Australia, you’re supposed to be innocent until proven guilty.”

Justice Emmett clearly stated: "In any event, the customer who is the account holder would be an infringer in so far as that customer implicitly authorised the activity of the user of the account that constituted infringement."

To continue to defend an argument which was roundly thrown out by 3 judges in the appeal court is cannot continue to hold sway in the judicial system.

Finally:
Fisk believes that government regulation needs to be implemented across all ISPs. “iiNet has always said it’s willing to sit down with AFACT, other ISPs and the government to try and work out a solution that everyone’s happy with. Ultimately, there needs to be some kind of proper regulation across the industry.”

The IIA, to which iiNet is a prominent member have a published document:"Principles for a Digital Economy". Within it states the following:
"The IIA has consistently opposed three strikes or “graduated response” solutions to infringement by private individuals, that is where ISPs would be required to threaten and ultimately to disconnect users who are alleged to have infringed copyright (which proponents of three strikes label ‘repeat infringers’).......As a matter of principle, an intermediary who is acting as a mere conduit ......should not be liable for the acts of its users where those users abuse facilities to breach third party rights."

For iiNet to say they have always been willing to enter discussions is extremely disingenuous. To flatly refuse any solution which means they have to do something is not offering an olive branch.

Seriously. What tripe.



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iiNet on online film piracy: We're not the 'ISP Police'?
Last week's judgement in the iiNet vs AFACT case has opened a few interesting cans of worms - including the possibility that ISP providers may be charged with disconnecting people who pirate. So what does iiNet think about this?

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Geoff_D
4 March 2011
TobyBGoodman obviously works for AFACT. But that aside... The main aspect here is proof of an infringment. Just because AFACT says someone has done something wrong, with no legal finding, should NOT result in a disconnection of service.

Can you imagine.... anyone who has a beef against any company just has to SAY, via a letter, that something has been done wrong, abd their internet is disconnected. BHP, RIO, the banks.... none would ever have internet.

I can see any person who has their internet disconnected writing a letter to whoever provides AFACTs internet saying AFACT has done something wrong.... and by AFACTs own standards, that is proof enough to have the internet connection terminated. AFACT would never have a live connection again.

Now.... if an offence has been PROVEN, not just accused, then fine, disconnect. But just because one party with a vested interest says so, is not proof, and not good enough to deprive someone of internet access.
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